The other day...Im the one that told you of the recorder you got in the first place. Do you understand that? Ive recorded Grammy winning horn players. Do you understand that?

So your view means about jack to me, I was just shocked at the level of stupidity and the blanket statement directed at an entire world of music. I only hoped perhaps you could open a door to something you dont understand ( much like recording a single sax line as of now ).

But if you and your ego thinks your somehow better then anyone thats used some form of distortion have fun in your own little candy land.

"DISTORT 1:to twist out of the true meaning 2:to twist out of a natural, normal or original shape or condition. 3: To reproduce improperly "

So you know the true meaning? Come on now...if we even try to follow your logic, that would mean things that are musically correct are wrong.......cause wouldn't a bent note a trill a slide a hammer be more of a perversion then the texture of the tonality. Plus when and where does this distortion start? Cause we have to twist elements out of their natural shape to even get an instrument.

"(1)NOISE 1: loud, confused, or senseless shouting or out cry 2: Sound: Especially: one that lacks agreeable musical quality or is noticeably unpleasant."

So let me get this right..."Return to Forever lacks agreeable musical quality or is noticeably unpleasant" in your equation.

" We all have differences of opinions."

You might use the scapegoat of having some silly view, but facts as examples of thousands of artists kinda blasts you down.

I gave a simple opinion of bad noise that some folks call music. That would be someone who knows 3 chords, can't play more than one type scale in the same key, and yanks on the handle to bend the same note all night and doesn't know that Gb is a black note on a keyboard.

Looks like you've taken this personally. Is this you? If you can really play a guitar, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about someone who can't play and just makes noise to fool people. Again, is this you? If not, you’re all upset over nothing.

If this is you, print out my above post and read it every day until it sinks in. I'm doing you a favor by encouraging you to practice practice practice.

There are probably hundreds of very good Sax players. Keyboardists, Guitarist, so on and so forth that have no idea where to push the record button on a recorder. Does that mean they aren't good musicians. Of course not!

There are probably hundreds of thousands of recording engineers that don't know an Eb from a C. Probably that's why they are recording engineers instead of musicians. Maybe they can only make noise with a guitar.

All of you real guitarist probably feel the same way about the noise guitarist as I do. They are entertainers not really musicians. There will never be an agreement between musicians and noisemakers of what is music and what is not.

This reminds me of folks who want to compare golf as a sport in the same category as football. No matter how much the talk about it, it isn’t going to happen. .

Music is music . Noise is noise.

I hope you really can play so you’ll get the message and calm down. I may need you to teach me how to use this recorder. I’m still struggling to be a musician. All I want to do is make a decent Demo for my prospects. OK?

Boo, you are dealing with an old friend of ours who cannot separate ideas from personalities. Don't waste your time debating him.
DonM

I'm truly sorry about this. I'm not not looking to make enemies. I feel about this noise issue they call music just as Dave feels about his job not his gig.

I respect Dave for his zealousness in his profession. That's why Dave is one of my favorite people. He's sincere and knows a lot and has tons of experience in this ONE_MAN_BAND business. He, like a select few here are priceless.

Now to my next point. Dave knows absolutely nothing about football except that his team's name is the Eagles and that the quarterback's name is McNabb. Read my other football post. he!he! boy I gott em' again. This is so much fun getting Dave. He's also my favorite forum buddy to get. Ha! Ha!

Sorry Don, Gary and Donny you guys all have to get in line behind Dave for this privelege!


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"I gave a simple opinion of bad noise that some folks call music. That would be someone who knows 3 chords, can't play more than one type scale in the same key, and yanks on the handle to bend the same note all night and doesn't know that Gb is a black note on a keyboard."

This I almost agree with ( that seems odd doesn't it ), just I dont take it to the extreme of ANYONE that has overdrive or distortion suffers from these problems. Funny thing is getting your viewpoint on guitar when "If I played guitar" is your only backing, get a guitar learn how to play it then spew your enlightenment out. Cause this noise guitar fantasy you speak of is priceless...I would love some real world connection of it in action "yanks on the handle to bend the same note all night." You know that "handle" has a name, quiet a few in fact. Your three chord slant is also over the top, that is unless half of Hank Williams songs are in fact trash.

"Looks like you've taken this personally. Is this you? If you can really play a guitar, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about someone who can't play and just makes noise to fool people. Again, is this you? If not, you’re all upset over nothing."

I think after the track I sent its clear I have no issue. Who in the heck is the "you" this is like the third time ive gotten this.

"If this is you, print out my above post and read it every day until it sinks in. I'm doing you a favor by encouraging you to practice practice practice."

I think after the track I sent its clear I have no issue. Who in the heck is the "you" this is like the third time ive gotten this.

"There are probably hundreds of very good Sax players. Keyboardists, Guitarist, so on and so forth that have no idea where to push the record button on a recorder. Does that mean they aren't good musicians. Of course not! "

Nope it doesn't, only a musician that has the ability to engineer has an advantage ( as Im sure you have noticed ).

"There are probably hundreds of thousands of recording engineers that don't know an Eb from a C. Probably that's why they are recording engineers instead of musicians. Maybe they can only make noise with a guitar."

For the most part much like the last thing I spoke of, an engineer that has a musical mind will have an advantage over one that doesn't.

"All of you real guitarist probably feel the same way about the noise guitarist as I do. They are entertainers not really musicians. There will never be an agreement between musicians and noisemakers of what is music and what is not."

So now if your entertaining your not a musician?

"This reminds me of folks who want to compare golf as a sport in the same category as football. No matter how much the talk about it, it isn’t going to happen. ."

Errrr ok

"Music is music . Noise is noise."

And someone that cant listen past a sonic texture is a fool.

"I hope you really can play so you’ll get the message and calm down. I may need you to teach me how to use this recorder. I’m still struggling to be a musician. All I want to do is make a decent Demo for my prospects. OK?"

You need to calm down as someone that has stated reasons they can't make their own backing tracks with the scapegoat of it being work and that they can't play live with any bands or solo over a ton of trivial fantasy excuses shouldn't question the musicianship of another.

I have no problem with teaching, in fact I enjoy it...when Im getting paid or like the person or happen to love what their doing. Few days back had the joy of recording some traditional musicians from Scotland, and now am in the middle editing some film footage from their time in states for a "Socumentary" of sorts ( sorry that was random ).

That said I dont know you, Im not getting paid, and if your using pre fab styles with the ambition of dumping sax lines on top of it I dont care what your doing.

The manuel read it read it read it.

Boo,

We all know who we are dealing with here and it is not worth a response. Just remember that the growl sax made famous by "Boots" is distortion, so let's not be too hasty with our remarks.

Tom

"Boo,
We all know who we are dealing with here and it is not worth a response. Just remember that the growl sax made famous by "Boots" is distortion, so let's not be too hasty with our remarks.

Tom"

Yeah your dealing with someone that tried to tell this whatever this SAME thing days ago, thanks for supporting my point.

Tom believe it or not Boots did not invent the growl sax. I growled in 1956 when just learning the Sax and I think Boots became famous sometime after that. They were growling in the 20's and 30's probably before Boots was born. Ha! Ha!

I was practicing Yakety Sax everyday from the first day I heard it. I still enjoy looking at people's faces when I kick it off.

That's all my buddy and I did was growl for the first 2 or 3 years in our rock & roll bands. But after we learned to play real tough tunes the right way there was no need for the gimmick anymore.

I might growl for a few notes here and there during the night, but it's only on tunes like Night Train etc. or some tune where it might be appropriate.

If a guy growls all night into his horn, it is more noise than music. You know what I mean?

Hell this place gets more exciting everytime (4-Track) comes back with a new forum name He like all of us has his own opinions. To respond is our choice. If he's completely off base and takes a post and twists it into something it's not (which he does a lot), just don't reply to him. I agree with some of his remarks and not on others. I do however agree with him on the distortion issue. When you learn to play guitar you'll learn to enjoy those effects. It's not just a rocker or metal head effect. It's used in other music (Like Blues), and it really beefs up a solo.

Squeak

Hey squeak did you ever get a new recorder? After all of your help last year I finally broke down and got one.

If I can't figure out how to work this thing since everyone here knows (what did you call him? 4 track) I'm gonna get one of you guys to help me find out where he lives and I'm gonna make Buster take an 18 wheeler load to where he lives and I'll have Buster sit on him until he shows me how to work this contraction.

Is this the same guy that rants and raves about copywrite?

Sir, if you are the same gentleman I'm thinking of, please forget everything I said and I relly apologzize if I hurt your feelings. Really!
Boo Hargis