Scott,
You couldn't be more off base, but if that's really the way you feel, I will refrain from including you in any of my discussions if it will make you feel better.
It's pretty clear that you don't want to hear what I have to say, so I'll stop including you in the mix.

huh?!
Uncle Dave, I think you've got it totally turned around. Who's the one who initiated this discussion thread? I believe it was me, not you. Remember?



Not true. What you said was NOTHING more than what you've repeatedly said so MANY times before when I brought up this same topic (of using music when performing) in the past. I believe I made it patently clear (on repeated occasions) that I DON'T advocate or rely on music (on stage) as a crutch any more than you do, yet you continue to harp on the evils of using music props (ei: MusicPad Pro) or charts on stage, even though you yourself rely on them occasionally (laptop PC) yourself. It's because of this that I can't help but feel that your primary intention for bringing the matter up (once again) was just to 'needle' me. If I'm wrong about this, I apologize, but unfortunately, I'm not yet convinced. - Scott

Scott,
I'm making an exception to my new "gag" rule because I think you and I need some TLC on this subject.
I swear to you .... I do not "needle" you.
I simply stated my position on a subject that I feel is very important in the live performance business. Your thread brought that subject to the front, and I chimed in to use it as a vehicle for discussion. Nothing more.
I'll gladly lift the gag order, but I want you to be sure that we're on the same page here. We don't NEED to agree, but there are many people that are greatly influenced by our words here and it serves no purpose if bickering and confrontation enters the mix.

I don't expect everyone to adopt my style of performance, but I DO believe that almost everyone can benifit from at least "hearing" about it. Guys like you and I bring a lot to the table here .... let's stay focused on the info and put away the gauntlets. I hate confrontations.
Whattayasay?

Ya know both you guys need to "bury the hatchet" you are both valuable contributors here and you shouldn't let third parties get you all worked up, we need you more than that.
Even though UD can sometimes be abrasive I suspect it is not done with any malice or forethought. And I've noticed he is always the first to extend the olive branch and apologize.
And I've never heard you guys telling people to shut up, or use the kind of gutter language we've heard today.
So can't we all just get along? well most of us anyway.

I'm in! No more fussing and fighting !
peace?

Hey Scott

Have not really had a chance to read through this thread, but, congrats on the new gear.

I've been interested in that since I heard about it some time ago.

I am wondering how this would compare to using a lap top with Jos Maas' new omb which will apparently scroll scanned music, plus all the other stuff that's possible.

Will your new unit also play midi, wav or mp3's?

Scott

I'm certain that some of UD's offensive comments are unconsciencely made, but if we don't bring them to his attention as such then who will and when?

I get the impression that Dave's attitude in real life carries over into his posts - if something isn't done the "UD-way" then he discards it.

If you want to declare peace Dave then you really should rethink that attitude. I don't use a laptop on stage the way you do but I would never consider referring to your laptop as a "crutch" with the obvious implications (and Scott drew a very good parallel between your use of a laptop and his use of the Music Pad Pro). You are experienced and intelligent, so you have many ways of expressing your opinion without turning it into an insult or even leaving it open to interpretation as such. Since I've been on this forum, it seems to me that of all the regulars here your posts have more often provoked people than many others. If that's not the way you intend then stop waving the white flag and do some serious self-review. If your remarks are intentional then be prepared to take the same in kind from your peers.

You know Jim, in some ways you're right. I thought about this for a few minutes before I responded and here's my take on it.

In my personal life, I'm kind of a wise-guy with a big heart. I make fast jokes, quick comments, and have satirical views on many things around me.
I also take my kids to church each week, check in on my aging parents often, opened my home to a 19yr old kid that was about to become homeless, volunteer in my community, and help out whenever I feel my skills or advice can be of use.

I feel very comfortable here among these(you) people here and it is that comfort zone that takes my gaurd down at times. When I'm with strangers, I tone it it down a few notches, but as I get familiar with my friends, I let my lip run at a higher RPM. That's what happens here from time to time.

Anyone who knows me can absolutely attest to the fact that I attack NO one. I am not a fighter. I have never even BEEN in a fight. (I'm a baby when it comes to my hands!)

If a strong opinion gets misunderstood once in a while, and it's brought to my attention ...... I try to clarify my point. If feeling gets hurt because of the same .... I apologize.
I'm just not the politically correct, fence walking, Mr. Tact that some of you would prefer to talk to. I have some rough edges. It comes from life experiences. It comes from shattered hopes and broken dreams. We all have them, right?
Maybe someday, I'll be in a place where I can slow down the wit, and take more of a middle of the road stance on things, but right now .... I have an 11 yr old to finish raising. That means I need to work HARD for at least 10-15 more years to provide for her and her siblings. I am always on the go, and my "down time" is very limited.
At the end of my work day, after dealing with liars, cheaters, club owners and drunks .... I come home to the solice of my own little place where I'm safe and loved, and my forum friends are waiting. I come here to wash the dust of the day away, and there is always somthing that invites me to repond. It's like telling your kids about your day on the couch.... or talking to your wife in bed b4 you fall asleep.
It's a safe haven where we exchange ideas, and hash out the problems of the universe.

This is much like my own family. We have a large bunch of Italians on one side (Mom's)and when the whole gang gets together for dinner ... there are shouting matches, moral discussions, and heated debates about everything from teen sex to hot flashes!

My point is:
I give what I have. I offer my help, my home, my affection ... all with no strings. If you need me - I'm there. Sometimes, my words may sound a bit sharp, but I'm speaking in terms that apply to the real world of the music business.
Sure, we'll all have different takes on it, and we all use our own local coloqualisms to express our thoughts (eg: you say musos all the time ..... I never heard that around here)
Printed words have no feeling. The emoticons and smilely faces help to clarify the meanings, but it can nevr take the place of eye contact, human touch, or vocal expression.
I LOVE the internet, and specfically email, but the more we get attached to the "font" instead of the voice .... these misunderstandings will occur.

With all that said ....... I think we understand each other most times, and your points are well stated. I will try to remind myself that we are practicing in an inperfect medium here, and that a little sugar can go a long way .... even on a low carb diet.

I sincerely hope no one really thinks I'm a bad guy just because of some misinterpeted,poorly typed words.
I'm here to help, and I value you all very much. That's the truth ... no sugarcoat needed!

Peace

What a bunch of crap....dave no need to lower yourself or explain yourself to unknown text on a PC screen or to anyone.... just be yourself........and enjoy life
its too short ......sheeeeesh!!

I offered to bring a 19 year old into my home too...but she didn't want to come home with me....

Dave talk for hours with your wife before falling to sleep....no wonder your twice divorced..

Oops..are we suppose to be at the BAR..