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#179668 - 01/08/07 07:38 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
pasadoble Offline
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Registered: 11/30/01
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What you are actually seeing is the Registration disk being put into the organ NOT a MIDI orchestration, each competitor in Electone Festivals have their own set of registrations on disc so that they know exactly what sounds are where for their personal performance, otherwise they would have to spend 1/2 an hour setting the organ up to their particular performance needs, Yamaha Electones have 16 settable preset buttons (or pistons in organ terminology) between the keyboards, the disc will set these up to the players 'sounds and settings' requirments' and nothing else
I entered the southern UK section of the 1985 Yamaha UK Electone Festival and finished up playing at the National Finals at Woburn Abbey, even then I had my registrtations all ready on RAMPAK as it was called then.

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Noel J

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bill reed:
[B]hi
i hate to see someone put a floppy in to he organ before playing, you never know just how much she is playing and how much is on the floppy.

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#179669 - 01/08/07 08:10 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
pasadoble Offline
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Registered: 11/30/01
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Loc: Portsmouth, England.UK
What you are actually seeing is the Registration disk being put into the organ NOT a MIDI orchestration, each competitor in Electone Festivals have their own set of registrations on disc so that they know exactly what sounds are where for their personal performance, otherwise they would have to spend 1/2 an hour setting the organ up to their particular performance needs, Yamaha Electones have 16 settable preset buttons (or pistons in organ terminology) between the keyboards, the disc will set these up to the players 'sounds and settings' requirments' and nothing else
I entered the southern UK section of the 1985 Yamaha UK Electone Festival and finished up playing at the National Finals at Woburn Abbey, even then I had my registrtations all ready on RAMPAK as it was called then.

Rgds

Noel J

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bill reed:
[B]hi
i hate to see someone put a floppy in to he organ before playing, you never know just how much she is playing and how much is on the floppy.

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#179670 - 01/08/07 09:18 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
tony mads usa Offline
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Noel ... thanks for clearing that up ....
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#179671 - 01/08/07 09:29 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
bill reed Offline
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Registered: 09/11/06
Posts: 23
Loc: edinburgh
hi pasadoble
you do make a good point about registration but why not take the disk out again after the disk loaded its registrations, and with my spectra it was easy to set up and use all voices easy to pick out on the buttons and you had 3 volume slids for upper and 2 for lower and 2 for peddles so you could add a voice by pulling out a volume slide and change a voice when plaing by keeping the volume slid in so you knew the sound was there when you wanted it.
cant do that on my keyboards but maybe abacus can on his.
i do take your point about loading registrations.
thanks bill

[This message has been edited by bill reed (edited 01-08-2007).]

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#179672 - 01/08/07 11:57 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
Vadim Offline
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The instant she tinserted the floppy i knew it's not gonna be a MIDI file... (they should of make an anouncement "..that's not a midi file disk..") even if that was a midifile, it wouldn't make a difference to me, taking into consideration how good she played.
thanks for providing a link to this video Taike, i really love seeing telented or professional play, or even just listening to their music, and of coarse learning something from it.

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#179673 - 01/08/07 02:01 PM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
cgiles Offline
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Registered: 09/29/05
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Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
Taike, awesome. One thing is for sure. Unless the talent is there, you could never, ever train a person up to that level; not in a lifetime. One of my ongoing daydreams is to find such a young lady of such beauty and talent; woo, win, and then worship her for the rest of my life. She would never have to cook a meal, clean a house, or do a wash. Just play for me once a day and I would be her naked slave forever. My wife is unaware of this ongoing daydream.

Seriously though, this video reminds us of why so many of us fell in love with the organ. From screamin' B3 rock solos to funky "Jimmy Smith" solos to talented young people like the young lady in the video, the organ continues to maintain it's niche in the world of keyboard instruments.

chas
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#179674 - 01/08/07 10:05 PM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
Spalding1 Offline
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Registered: 12/14/05
Posts: 236
Loc: birmingham,england
are you sure thats not a idi file she is loading in.when she is playing at times i can hear movements that are being created when all her limbs are already being used ! Does she have hidden limbs ? If she did not use a midi file then that was astounding playing
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#179675 - 01/09/07 02:00 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
Taike Offline
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Registered: 03/28/02
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Loc: Xingyi, Guizhou (China)
This was filmed at a Yamaha Electone Festival in China. Midi files aren't allowed at such events. Pasadoble is right; it's a registration disk.

It's impossible to play this kind of arrangement on an arranger keyboard. You'd have to add a second keyboard and pedals so you're no longer playing on just one instrument. She's playing on only ONE instrument.

Mountie, you can also customize set-ups on an organ. It's been around for a long time.

Right, Cassp and Chas, this is one talented young lady. When I see and hear people playing like that I don't ask questions but enjoy it to the fullest.

Now, the German Franz Lambert, who plays on Wersi organs, doesn't even use registration files as he's lightning fast in manually changing registrations. You can see him in action on the video links I posted before.
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#179676 - 01/09/07 02:31 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Hello Spalding
Had another look at the video and while there may be a programmed drum style about the middle of the piece, I cannot see or hear any indication of a Midi file being used.

bill
If you fancy a listen to the top artists, then book a weeks holiday in May and go to the Blackpool keyboard festival, where you will see a lot of top performers http://www.keyboard-cavalcade.co.uk/festival.htm (Including this year Franz Lambert, who also has a DVD that I can highly recommend, heres a demo http://download.yousendit.com/05D0852068E3D2E0)

General
As to the performance, it is quite common for players from Asia, and has been for many years, (If you go to the Blackpool keyboard festival and watch the electone competition you will find quite a few Chinese now showing up) however apart from the contests, 99.9% of the players are not heard from again in the West, because while technically proficient, they are not entertainers.
As a matter of fact in the last 30 years while performances like these have been common, (They are all taught through the Yamaha Music School) there are only 2 artists from Asia whose names are still around, these being Chiho Sunamoto and Max Takano.

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#179677 - 01/09/07 02:43 AM Re: Why i believe the organ to be more versatile then a keyboard
bill reed Offline
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Registered: 09/11/06
Posts: 23
Loc: edinburgh
hi taike
yes like you say franz lambert is so fast with his on the fly changes but it seems to me that most of the top players that use wersi are the same, just watch cauldia or mark or the late klaus on any of the clips that abucus has given us links too and they too are really quick at there changes too. to hear someone play a top of the range organ and use no backing tracks or auto rhythm and only hear them play is something of wonder. a top organist playing a top of the range organ will always sound better that a top keybord player playing a keyboard and i include the wersi keyboards too. you just cant do the same on a top of the range keybard you can on a top of the range organ unless you program everything in first and and even if you add a second keyboard and peddles the changing of set ups is so much harder with the keyboards as that what i try and do now with my 2 keyboard and its no where as easy as when i had the organ. i know the abacus is set up very like my old specta organ and that will be close to ease of use.
bill

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