heres my problem........

I'm using a Yamaha PSR9000 keyboard. I have a few SMF songs that I have used in the past on a Kn5000, Kn6000, Solton X1, and now the PSR9000. On all the other units the songs sound fine when played. But when I play them on the Psr9000 I hear a "Hand Clap" on the drum track that isn't supposed to be there
and some cymbal crashes in the wrong places also. I tried changing drum sets but nothing helps. Why is it reading the drum set wrong? There is no way to just edit the claping that I know of on the unit. Does anyone have any suggestions?

thanx

Donny

** "heres my problem........
**I'm using a Yamaha PSR9000 keyboard. "

That's the whole problem in a nutshell. Yamaha is the worst at SMF playback. Always has been. XG is no sugstitute for GS. You'll have to go into a computer and erase the note of the offending sound. Pain in the butt, but it'll work.

You've "GOT" to be kidding here....

Doesn't the Yamaha PSR9000 also include a GM (general midi) or GS (general midi extended) mode setting in addition to the Yamaha XG mode?

I'm sure Donny has tried switching his PSR9000 to the GM setting mode, right?

- Scott

Dave, Frank, Donny, and all...

What a SHOCK to hear that Yamaha does not support playback of GM/GS standard midi files. I had no idea that Yamaha does not support the GM/GS midi file format. I always thought that GM/GS was the worldwide SMF standard with Yamaha's XG mode providing an optional further extended format option. I didn't realize that Yamaha choose to exclude the GM/GS mode in its PSR9000 keyboard.

Does the new Yamaha 9000pro also not support playback of GM/GS midi file format songs?

Scott

man am I confused with all this stuff. All I want is a way to eliminate the hand claps and have the correct drum or cymbal playing where it is supposed to like on all the other keyboards. :>)also as dave suggested how can I erase the offensive sound if the song plays correctly on my p/c ? it only plays hand claps thru the psr9000.

[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 03-21-2001).]

Donny,
Sounds like you'll need to first figure out what the handclaps sound should actually be playing and then remap the handclap sounds to the appropriate sound.

Donny, I'm sure that you aren't the first person to encounter this specific problem. As Frank suggests, I'm sure there must be someone out there with a drumkit re-mapping (note transposition) software utility which will allow you to easily re-map your GM midi file's drums to match the PSR9000's XG drumkit with just a click of a button. Many of the higher end midi sequencer software programs support just this type of drum re-mapping utility.

Good luck,

Scott

I hope your right Scott I can easily email these songs to someone with the knowledge to do this drum remaping if possible. But they would have to have a PSR9000 to hear the hand claps right?

donny

Scott - CALM DOWN! Yamaha does indeed support a GM sound set (NOT GS, that's ROLAND)too bad it sucks....big time. The XG and panel voices are not included in an SMF sequence, so anything that is commercially recorded will sound like crap. GM is the standard - NOT GS. Roland developed GS as a "super set" to GM, and Yamaha and Korg do not support that. Even Rolands own JV line is NOT GS - only GM, and the drums are terrible compared to the GS setup. So don't expect to see GM/GS go hand in hand in all things.
This is an age old problem - we all want everything to do just what "we" need. Too bad the manufacturers have developement teams that don't always agree with us! With alittle "tweaking" most high end keyboards can be made to perform pretty well, but they all have weaknesses - Yamahas'is the midi file playback. Sequences that are recorded ON a 9000 will sound much better than a standard GM seq from another user.

Donny, your Trans Track brand midi files in question are truly GM (general midi) file format, right?

If indeed the Yamaha PSR9000 does support playback of GM format SMFs (as Dave suggests), then the songs (including correct drumkit mapping) should play 'correctly' on Donny's PSR9000. Apparently this is not the case with the inappropriate handclap sounds. Whether GS sounds better than GM is not really the issue here. More importantly is that Donny is hearing a totallly incorrect drum sound.

Is there possibly a button or page that needs to be accessed on the PSR9000 to put the keyboard into GM (general midi) mode?

Just a thought.

- Scott

Donny,
Hire a drummer.
Send a file to me . oneils4@home.com . I will try and help you . I have a guy at work called the DR. Midi
DanO
Ps..To Uncle Dave and Fran.... I agree Yamaha Psr9000 or Pro is less than desirable when it comes to midi file play back .

Dan

check you e mail I sent them to you

donny

Hey Guys, Am I correct that the PSR 9000 does not have user drum kits? If it did, it would be an easy fix, you would just remove/change or lower the volume of the drum part ,save as a user kit ,and assign the user kit to the SMF that has the problem. I am pretty sure the Yamaha CAN NOT do this. The Solton X1 had screwed up drums and this was a work around method that I used.. Boy am I glad I still use the G1000[Frank don't you miss yours?].Donny, I have not tried, but you may be able to fix your problem with Power Tracks using the drum grid edit. Maybe someone has used it and can enlighten us..One of the problems when Donny sent the problem file to me is it worked perfectly in everything I owned[No Yamaha]. Can't fix what isn't broke...Fran PS: Donny I have an SC155 [Roland] module available, You could midi into it and be a happy camper when you play SMF's..

[This message has been edited by Fran Carango (edited 03-22-2001).]

Dnj. Re the offending midi file (handclaps)

It is worth trying the following.
Load Midi File into PC Suggest Cakewalk. On Drum Track on the BANK Column type in 16525. This is the Bank number that is sent out by the PSR when a midi file is saved.
Also if your midi file has a Track 9. This is often a percussion track on certain keyboards and could contain you offending handclaps, if so delete this track.
Work on a copy of the midi file not the original in case you need to go back to square one.

Just thought this might help.

Graham UK

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Donny, I have the same problem, but it doesn't bother me much because I seldom use midi files. When I have time, I'll fix it in either PTPro or on the keyboard itself.
DonM

hi everyone,
I want to personally thank Frank Rosenthal for taking the time and doing some Midi editing to correct my "handclapping" problem on some of my songs. Thats what this forum is all about sharing and helping others. Why this problem occured I don't know, but now it's fixed and I'm a happy camper. I would in the future like to learn more on Midi editing so I could try to tackle problems when they arrise being I use Midis 10% of the time on stage. Frank if we ever meet Drinks are on me !!

thanx so much

Donny nj

First of all, I'm glad that the hand clap problem was able to be resolved, but . . .

I'm still wondering WHY Donny's GM midi files were able to play correctly on other GM supported keyboards, but not on the PSR9000, even though the PSR9000 supoosedly 'does' support the GM format. I am wondering how Yamaha can say it supports the GM midi format if it's drum mapping apparently does not comply with the GM midi standard as evidenced by the incorrect(?) "handclap" drum mapping.

I agree that the sound quality of GM sequences can be severely compromised depending on the GM instrument they are ultimately played on, but at least the "correct sound" should have been played if the PSR9000 does support GM (general midi). Am I'm missing something here? Can someone please fill me in?

Thanks,

Scott

Frank,
Thanks for clarifying the situation. I had no idea that Donny's midi file was a Roland GS midi file. I was under the impression that the midi file was GM. Now this all makes sense.

Scott

O dear,
I am now worried that all my roland files have the clap

Hugs
Tony W
(.....and you all thought I had gone away )

Frank, One of the problem files that I sent to Donny "way you look tonight" was a Tune1000 sequence and it is not a GS file. Could Donny's problem with the drums be a transpose error. Most keyboards will ignore the drum track when transposing. Is this the same with Yamaha..Fran

Fran,

I transposed the song tracks but not the drum track, is that what you mean?

donny

Hi All,

I use midi files on a regular basis just for listening pleasure on my PSR9000. Most of the midi files I use I have downloaded from the net, I would say 98% play perfectly, of the other 2% I have experienced the bogus handclaps, but you can be sure that just by looking on the net you can usually find an alternative programming of a particular tune with no problems.
I have personally found the free midi available on the net are usually much better than the stilted and predictable commercially available midi files, this is probably because the commercially available ones are programmed for profit and the free ones are usually programmed by someone with a real love for music.
I would also like to point out that a properly programmed XG midi file bares no relation to a GM/GS midi file in terms of quality when played on a PSR9000, the XG system is far superior, especially when playing XG files of big orchestral pieces, the quality of the individual instruments really needs to be heard to be believed and the XG system produces amazing analogue synth sounds which are just not available on a non XG yamaha instruments. In my opinion the PSR9000 plays standard midi no worse than any other arranger but does really exceed when playing XG specific files.
Some other arrangers are also marketed as XG compatible, KN6000 for instance (my previous keyboard), but I found it is infact a Pseudo version of XG which completely misses certain effects and features, at the moment the only instruments that are true XG are Yamaha.
If any Yamaha owners would like to hear some XG files, I could email you a selection, just send me your request by email.

Paul.





[This message has been edited by Paul A Smith (edited 03-25-2001).]

I am sure most of you already know about
this, but thought I would post it anyway.

Shiral
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Jan 19, 2001

Yamaha and Roland Agree to Cooperate to
Improve MIDI Data Compatibility
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....
..

Three-point agreement:

Yamaha and Roland have agreed on the
following three points.

1) Both companies will actively support the
GM2 Format established in 1998
(see Note 2).

2) Both companies will offer open access to
Yamaha's XG Format (see Note 3) and
Roland's GS Format(See Note 4).

3) Both companies will develop hardware and
software products to support all three
formats, i.e. GM2, XG and GS.

......

full story at
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/news/01011902.html

Woah ! Lex Luthor & Superman are teaming up, huh??? That can only be a good thing for end users. Bravo to the big boys for trying to "play nice" together!
(Even Bill Gates & Steve Jobs get along sometimes )