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#182767 - 08/29/07 08:40 PM
My Favorite B3 Player.........
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#182779 - 08/30/07 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by Dnj: Smith although good cant hold a candle to Tony listen close
This has got to be the single most ridiculous statement ever posted on this board (other than "I'm the King"). If it weren't for Jimmy Smith, there wouldn't be a Tony Monaco (or Joey D). When you're known worldwide by every musician and jazz afficianado, when your very name defines "jazz organ", when every synth in production has a "Jimmy Smith" patch, when you are an innovator and not just another "copycat", maybe then you can start to compare yourself to a legend. I understand ethnic loyalty (if that's what it is), but come on, give us a break. During the late 60's and early 70's (during the heyday of the jazz organ trio), there were literally dozens of guys that could "smoke" this guy. That's not to say that he can't play, just that he hasn't yet reached legendary status. I'm sure he'd be the first to admit it (listen to his unabashed admiration for Jimmy whom he called his inspiration, as have practically every other modern-day jazz organist). Being a legend is about bring something lasting to the music scene. It's about interpreting the music with inovation and soul. Jimmy was much, much more than a one-trick-pony with fast hands. Ask any REAL musician. chas
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#182780 - 08/30/07 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by ianmcnll: Donny, I disagree...Smith forgot more than Tony will ever know.
He is the King.
Having said that, Tony is still a great player and I have a sneaky feeling that you must be Tony's favorite arranger player.
IanI am surely with you on this one, Ian. Man oh man, the days, weeks, months, even years I spent listening to Jimmy Smith on every album I could get my hands on, in the left ear in a set of headphones, while trying to emulate his passages, timing and technique. Just his passing chords alone could be studied for years. For me, that was a wonderful and inspiring time to be a musican, Danny [This message has been edited by pianodano (edited 08-30-2007).]
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#182809 - 08/31/07 09:51 AM
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#182811 - 08/31/07 11:32 AM
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Donny, jazz is an acquired taste. Kids in Jimmy Smith's heyday didn't have 45's of his music, either.
There is a small, very loyal base of jazz fans, and that includes younger people.
Foreplay (not traditional straight ahead jazz) sells 500,000 of each of their albums. You probably wouldn't expect to see Mp-3's of their music anywhere, either. And you're probably not "blown away" with their music (I am).
Sometimes the line between music and entertainment involving music is blurred. You are an entertainer first. Others are musicians, with no abiolity to, or interest in entertaining. It's a small (and poor) group, but, thankfully, it exists and helps perpetuate an art form that's a real American treasure.
It "ain't Buffet" (which I absolutely refuse to play), but has an honored place in music history for a fiercly loyal fan base.
R.
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#182813 - 08/31/07 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Dnj: I dont see any Jimmy Smith Mp3s on their Ipods do you? ....and if you visit every home in my newly adopted state of Georgia, you'd probably find more velvet Elvis's on the wall than all the Van Gogh's, Picasso's, and Rembrandt's (including copies), put together. Wonder what that means? BTW, how come your posts started spiraling downhill, from "favorite B3 player" to "I can onlly take about 10 minutes of jazz organ". Also, what did impress you so about Tony's playing (back when you LIKED Hammond organ)? Was it the Jimmy Smith licks that we all spent hours practicing every day (back in the day), hoping against hope that hand speed and staccatto licks would somehow translate into more tips and applause from the drunks at the bar and more success with the ladies. Never worked. But hey, it impressed you. chas
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#182817 - 08/31/07 03:43 PM
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When I was younger I could never understand the attraction of Jazz, but the older Guys and Gals loved it, but do you know what, I am older now, and I get it. When you’re young, you want to avoid any music that your parents like, but when you mature you realise what you have been missing.
Bill
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#182818 - 08/31/07 04:36 PM
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When I was young, I loved jazz (especially big-band and Ella) but it didn't stop me loving the Stones, Motown and the Beatles.
When I was at college, I STILL loved jazz (especially Weather Report, and Return to Forever), but it didn't stop me from loving the Sex Pistols, Elvis Costello and ska bands like the Specials.
Nowadays, I still love jazz (and still love Ella, big-band and fusion, Jamie Cullum and Diana Krall - but not so much 'smooth' jazz!), but it doesn't stop me from loving hiphop or indie rock, or artists like Bjork and Coldplay.
That, for me, is the real trick... To not let your love for jazz stop you from loving less sophisticated musics AS WELL.
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#182819 - 08/31/07 04:54 PM
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Interviewer speaking with Yogi Berra about jazz.
Interviewer: Can you explain jazz?
Yogi: I can't, but I will. 90% of all jazz is half improvisation. The other half is the part people play while others are playing something they never played with anyone who played that part. So if you play the wrong part, its right. If you play the right part, it might be right if you play it wrong enough. But if you play it too right, it's wrong.
Interviewer: I don't understand.
Yogi: Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it.
Interviewer: Do you understand it?
Yogi: No. That's why I can explain it. If I understood it, I wouldn't know anything about it.
Interviewer: Are there any great jazz players alive today?
Yogi: No. All the great jazz players alive today are dead. Except for the ones that are still alive. But so many of them are dead, that the ones that are still alive are dying to be like the ones that are dead. Some would kill for it.
Interviewer: What is syncopation?
Yogi: That's when the note that you should hear now happens either before or after you hear it. In jazz, you don't hear notes when they happen because that would be some other type of music. Other types of music can be jazz, but only if they're the same as something different from those other kinds.
Interviewer: Now I really don't understand.
Yogi: I haven't taught you enough for you to not understand jazz that well.
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#182825 - 08/31/07 08:05 PM
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#182828 - 09/01/07 01:46 AM
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Every Electronic Organ Player knows Tico Tico by Ethel Smith, and this is one of the reasons it is so popular on the Concert scene, unfortunately it was used in the 80s by organists to see how fast they could play, and thus outdo other organists, however fortunately it is now back where it belongs, A Classic. Apart from Ethel Smith, it would either be the version by Klaus Wunderlich on the Wersi Helios or Max Takano on the Yamaha HX1 that would get my vote. Isn’t music wonderful?
Bill
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#182832 - 09/04/07 04:20 PM
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Diki, Chas and others get it. Perhaps some of the popular rythems seem repetitive, but the changes are often complex. Plus, the whole experience often involves interplay between players.
Boring after 10 minutes? Never to me, but if it "ain't your thing" I can see it.
Good, well-thought out posts, folks, this could have turned into a real "bashing" session, but it didn't. And, that's GOOD!
And, Donnie, one of the top historic B-3 tunes from Jimmy Smith and others was "Chicken Shack". I don't have to tell you what appropriater apparel would work if you incorporated that into your act!
R.
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#182834 - 09/04/07 06:19 PM
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Not me. I love to listen to modern music and I'm a grandpa several times over already. I like a lot of different flavors, including but definitely not limited to jazz. Good blues, good modern rock, even a well done ( and clean ) hip hop song, electronica, experimental genres... etc.
I like many of the B3 players mentioned, along with some that haven't been, but I guess my favorites growing up were Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman, and even though I don't think of him as being quite at the same technical level, Rick Wright, because he played "tasty" . As I was typing that, "Tasty", an old Good Rats tune, kept playing in my head.... you might remember them, especially if you ever "clubbed" in Long Island or the suburbs of NYC in the 70s or later.
AJ
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#182835 - 09/04/07 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by captain Russ: Diki, Chas and others get it. Perhaps some of the popular rythems seem repetitive, but the changes are often complex. Plus, the whole experience often involves interplay between players.
Boring after 10 minutes? Never to me, but if it "ain't your thing" I can see it.
Good, well-thought out posts, folks, this could have turned into a real "bashing" session, but it didn't. And, that's GOOD!
And, Donnie, one of the top historic B-3 tunes from Jimmy Smith and others was "Chicken Shack". I don't have to tell you what appropriater apparel would work if you incorporated that into your act!
R.
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