Tom, just save the "power-on" settings to a registration memory. It's just one step.
I'll post a comparison soon. There is a huge difference, and a very steep learning-setup process with the SD1. I like some things about it better and some about the Tyros better.
What I'm REALLY looking forward to is the next generation of both keyboards.
Strange thing is NOBODY except HankB. has noticed any difference when I play. No positive, no negative--it's just like I didn't change.
DonM

Oh Man, thanks for the heads up on those brackets. I remember seeing them a year or two ago, but nothing since. Do you have a website address?

Thanks very much for the tip!

Al

Based on the weight and dimensions of the Motif series, a Tyros with a metal case would weigh around 40 lbs. I believe that most Tyros users would object to that increase in weight. The Tyros speakers are optional in the US.



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Steve,

While the light weight of the Tyros is definitely an attraction, a number of people (myself included) have a nagging concern about the build quality of Tyros.

I, for one, would buy a 40-lb Tyros in a heartbeat, if it had 76 keys (even though some of the high-end competitors, like Ketron, manage to fit a 76 key bed into a more compact and lighter box).

A question to everyone:

how many of you use joystick/mod wheel while playing an arranger keyboard? How detrimental is it to have it to the left of the keyboard, rather than above the keys?

I believe the Joystick/mod wheel is a holdover from the non-touch-sensitive synthesizer days, when players had to add expression using some analog means. I, for one, almost never use joystick on my Roland - when I am playing with the accompaniment going, I am too busy pressing the black and white keys (and occasionally buttons to change the settings). I can not take my hand off the keyboard to keep on the joystick. If I did, though, I would have found it easier to reach slightly above the keys than all the way to the left of the keyboard.

Regards,
Alex

I'm not worried about the plastic (PVC) body because it well engineered and feels firm.
The bottom-part looks like ABS but I'm not sure it is.

Ketrons' SD1 housing is metal and the wheels are well positioned above the keys.

Korg PA1Xpro is HUGE and the weight is HIGH, in fact not really suited to take on gigs.

My observations on the Tyros :
Compact 'leightweight' housing.
Very well organized panel/display.
Easy to operate.
After some time you get used to the keyfeel and easy/smoothly playable.
The styles are superb.
No latency, no polyphony problems.
Bright clear sound without noises.
Disk-handling sooo easy compared to the SD1.
Silent harddisk.
The buttons-clicking a little too loud.
The buttons-illumination a little too bright.
One Touch setting works great.

Tonight I tried some converted SD1 styles on the Tyros, but deleted them after that.
Original Yamaha styles are the very best and all converted stuff or other brand styles just sound not half as good.

The MIDI-file playback sounds very good...
Yamaha convinced me : They know how to build an arranger keyboard !
Some people told me : "You'll absolutely miss some best SD1 styles and want them on the Tyros!"

After almost nonstop-playing exploring the Tyros I cannot think of SD1 styles thatI want on Tyros!! (All we need, and more is in it)

Alex:
Oh yes I do use the pitch-wheel for harmonica, clarinet, trombone, sax etc.


[This message has been edited by Roel (edited 02-15-2005).]

I've been gigging with my Tyros for OVER 2 years now w/o a single problem with case durability. I for one appreciate its portable 27 lb convenience vs lugging those 40+ lb kb monsters of yesteryear.

As far as styles go, I find the Tyros internal styles themselves EXCELLENT, and with the exception of muting the internal style's auto accomp 'keyboard comping' parts, and playing them in live instead, for most all my performance requirements, the PRESET styles cover most all the bases. I feel that the only commercial styles that approach the quality of the Tyros internal styles are from: MidiSpot or Yamaha. I've long ago stopped wasting my time spending hours attempting to convert styles from other manufacterers as most of these styles are already INCLUDED by Yamaha. Better to spend time actually PLAYING the keyboard rather than tweaking I say. My 2 year love affair with Tyros continues. - Scott

I use the pitch-bend wheel a lot. I think I actually prefer it left of the keys, but I'm adjusting to it being above on the SD1.
Only problem I had with the Tyros is that a few of the buttons were getting hard to push. Rather than worrying about them, I sent it off to a new, gentler life.
Bring on Tyros II or SD2 now.
DonM

joystick/wheels are must haves for solo voices.I can't live without them.cause we play KB.not just piano.

Roel,
I agree with your evaluation of the Tyros and also the quality of the internal styles. I suggest you to try the styles made by Yamaha for the PSR 3000: even if they are all derived from the Tyros own styles, in most cases they have been reprogrammed with better results.

Of course styles will sound better on the kb they are designed for,
and so it is whatever brand we convert to / from. As long as it is
not within the same kb brand, it's even harder to tweak before the
result are fairly good/playable.
At the end I guess it all come down to our personal taste and needs,
also to what kind of musicstyle we usually play.

No doubt about that Yamaha are great stuff, but in my ears it can't
compete to the SD1 in the "live way" sounding, the "keyfeel" at the
SD1 are also really good if you ask me, and yet there are no Yamaha
or other arranger kb's that I've seen who are close to Technics KN
regarding to the easy, smooth and userfriendly composer and editing
functions.

As said as many times before at SZ's forums, give us a keyboard who
have the best from all brands, that would have been something, eh?

Happy playing, exploring and enjoying your new Yamababy Roel

GJ