I currently own a 2100 and am very pleased with it. Besides the megavoices, what would I gain by moving up to the Tyros? Since the 2100 is so very feature-packed, I wonder if a move to the Tyros would cause buyer's remorse. Now I know this is somewhat of a subjective question, but I know some of you will want to throw in your opinion...and that's what I want. THANKS!

Tim

There are a LOT of differences. Hard drive, more polyphony, more styles, more sounds, larger display, more provisions for editing, more outputs, more pedal commections, aftertouch, INDIVIDUAL BUTTONS FOR ALL ENDINGS AND INTROS, quicker access to more registrations; these all immediately come to mind. A major feature is that the operating system is in RAM so can be updated by software. The key feel is more solid.
I thought the Tyros drums sounded better than the 2100 also. I'm sure there is much more. I only played one for a couple of hours.
DonM

I own BOTH a Tyros and PSR2000 (predesesor to the the PSR2100). The main advantage to the PSR2100/2000 is that it includes 'built in' speakers and is substantially less expensive than the Tyros. Other than that, the Tyros, is the clear winner because in all other categories (as DonM outlined), it excels. - Scott

Don, you did a good job of listing the major differences. I don't think I can add any more except that many of the buttons light up on the Tyros to show you what variation, intro, ending you are using and when loading a custom style, if there are no lights in variation 3 and 4 it means that you don't have to waste your time selecting them because there will be no change.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California

Hello

I have a PSR2000 and a Tyros. While the 2000 is terrific, they Tyros has more better sounds and most importantly to me is the tone is tremendously rich.

With my daily exposure to very expensive Lowrey home organs, my ear is always looking for the fullest, richest tone. The Tyros organ voices are really much better than the 2000 along with all the rest.

In short, I thought you couldn't beat the 2000 until I got the Tyros.


Scott

Thanks to you all, for your responses. They were what I anticipated. I agree with you totally. The Tyros is an improvement over the 2100. I know, I went out and picked one up last night! NICE BOARD! Two things I noticed immediately...(1)The feel of the keyboard is MUCH better. (2) The quality of sound - of even the same voices that were on the 2100 - sound even more natural. Now I need to find a buyer for a 4 month old 2100.

Tim

I, too, have the 2100 which I like very much. I'd like to know from those who said that the Tyros has a richer, fuller sound, etc.----was the comparison between the 2100's internal speakers vs. the add-on unit for the Tyros? Or, were both compared through the same (external) monitoring system?

To my aging ears, right out of the box and hooed directly to an amp and AB's, I couldn't hear any difference in both styles and voices. Keep in mind, I'm an old guy and we old folks all have hearing impairment--HA!

Cheers,

Gary

Hello

Very subjective obviously. I have tried my PSR2000 against the Tyros, through the same speakers. I put a dummy plug in the 2000 so as to shut off the speakers. The 2000 is so close to the 2100 as I understand it that outside of a few new live, sweet and cool voices its virtually the same instrument for all practical purposes.

There is a major difference in tone between the 2000 and the Tyros to my ears. Not only the basic tone but also what they do with the tone with effects often jumping between the two speakers. Thats why I can't play with only one speaker in mono. It just plain sounds bad to me.

The 2000/2100 are great instruments. But the difference between the 2000 and the Tyros is a bunch.

Again I am around a $73,000 Lowrey Royale on a daily basis. That is truly something interesting to compare the tone of a keyboard with.

Best
Scott

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I couldn't hear any difference in Uncle Dave's Tyros and 2100 side by side through the same sound system[same patches were compared]...I think you folks are looking for something that just is not there..I do not see a big difference in key feel, they both are too light..Yesterday, while playing UD 9000 Pro, I thought the feel was too light also, Another friend had his old Roland E86 , and it had a better feel than the 9000 Pro[ sorry UD]..Of course the Bad guy was set up too[G1000] No contest the G outplayed all of them[still my favorite key feel]..BTW, I still have a boxed up PSR2100 looking for a new home..

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Fran,
It's all in what you like and what you are used to. I hated the heavy keys on the G800. But then I was never a piano player. I like the light, fast action. After 4 or 5 hours on the G800, my fingers would be cramping.
DonM

Sorry Fran, I have to agree with Scott. I own the PSR 2000 and the Tyros. Side by side and I can tell you straight up that the Tyros is the better sounding of the two. It has a WAY better Key action too. But of course you are spoiled with the Roland Fran. That is fine. I am not saying the Tyros has a better Key feel than the G1000. What I am saying is the Tyros truly does outshine the PSR 2000. The Drums on the Tyros are a lot better. The overall sounds are better and like Scott said "richer, fuller sounding". You have to realize that even though the PSR 2100 has 32mb of Wav ROM, the Tyros still has 3x the Wav ROM of the PSR 2100 and 6x that of the PSR 2000.

Although I still think the PSR 2100's Wav ROM is 'compressed' whereas I believe the PSR 2000's Wav ROM is 'un' compressed. I'm not absolutely certain about that but that's my gut feeling. Any way, that extra 3x and 6x Wav ROM had to go somewhere and Yamaha put it to good use in my opinion. The Tyros has more sparkle imo and the Voices are definitely better. I've also played the PSR 2100 extensively and although there are more Sweet! Live! and Cool! voices on it than the PSR 2000 (and a few other added voices) it is basically the same machine. But I agree that the PSR 2100 is the best Keyboard "dollar for dollar" (for a mid-range Arranger).

PS: Fran, I think you might like the Korg Pa1x Pro. It is suppose to have the best Key action of any Arranger, including the G1000. As we all know many of the sounds are stupendous too. And they should be on the shelves before Christmas so you may want to hint to your wife that you're possibly looking for another Keyboard - (to supplement 'not replace' the G1000).

Best regards,
Mike

Hi Don
I'm glad to hear you say this. I just got a Tyros, and to me, its key action is going to take some getting used to. I also prefer the real light keys on the PSR2000. I was never a piano player, either. And I do know what you mean about cramping up. Oh well, I will get used to it!

Tom G.

My 2k only lights the variation 3 and 4 led's if the custom style contains such variations.

Yea, key feel is a VERY subjective thing. As a gigging church organist and NOT a pianist, I too do NOT like piano weighted keys; in fact, I won't own a keyboard that has weighted keys so this leaves out the PA1X (although I suspect the PA1X keys are actually "semi-weighted" rather than fully 88 key piano weighted). It doesn't take my hands anywhere near 5 hours, they start to hurt after about 30 minutes and go downhill from there. I doubt I could make a full evening's gig on a piano weighted keyboard.

Tom

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Bigger is not always better

Hey Mike, my wife doesn't know what I own or what I borrow...I think I'll keep it that way....No hints from me..

I learned to play on an organ that had a pretty light touch, so when I went to my Clavinet and the Yamaha CP 25 after that, it took some time to get used to the key feel. I prefer something in the middle, with stiffer action than the PSR series offers, but I do like weighted keys for playing piano / electric piano pieces.

I agree though, that piano action isn't very useful when I want to emulate an organ or a guitar, sax ..etc. The PSR action just isn't responsive enough for me and I tend to stumble a bit on fast solos with it. The Motif Es' is more like the Tyros action, and I'm ok with it.

I haven't done a true side by side with the 2100 vs the Tyros, coming through the same audio system, but I did do it before with the 9000 vs the 740. If I had closed my eyes, and one of you played the same piece on both of those boards, I doubt that I could have identified which one you were playing. They were that close.


AJ

For a while I had a PSR8000, 9000 and 740 at the same time. Listening to recordings of live performances, you couldn't tell the difference except for the unique sounds that one or the other had.
Actually the 8000 seemed to have a "smoother" overall sound, probably because of e.q.
I found that the 2000 and 2100 sound better out of the box than the 9000. In other words less editing and "tweaking" required.
I still maintain that some of the Tyros sounds and particularly the drums are quite a bet better than all the Yamaha predecessors.
DonM

Hi Larry:
My comparisons were made thru the same 'EXTERNAL' PA speaker monitoring system. - Scott



Tim, Wow, you sure didn't wait long (1 day?)between initiating this thread and running down to your local music store to grab yourself a Tyros did ya Welcome to the Tyros fan club. - Scott

I like a person who can make a decision and go do it! Good luck with the Tyros. You'll love it.
DonM

that is exactly the kind of question I asked about Tyros and 2100.

I understand that Tyros has lot more features than 2100, but the real comparison is with the QUALITY of sounds and styles.

Several points I like to add:

1) Tyros has more memory. However, this is not a guarantee of better sounds and styles; for the Tyros has more sounds and styles than 2100 (which is something good for 2100 does not have sufficient styles in my opinion). The question is what does Tyros do with the extra memory other than adding extra sounds and styles!

2) The comparison is between 2100 and Tyros. And not 2000 and Tyros. The assumption here is that 2100 is close enough to 2000 and therefore, the comparison matters. Well, it might have mattered if it is shown that the 2000 and Tyros are not much different in quality of sound. And with that I still have some reservations. However, it will not matter if the findings were that Tyros is significantly better than 2000.

3) The comparison must use the same monitoring system; the monitoring system must be of good quality that allows for the difference in sound quality to be heard and observed.

4) Although many users have asserted this to me several time and Altough I received some emails about this, I have yet to hear or read from direct representative of Yamaha that there are clear and "intended" differences in the quality of sounds for the identical sounsd and styles in Tyros and 2100. I am not saying there are or there are not difference. But the fact that Yamaha is clearly silent about this forces me to consider the alternative claims of other users such as Fran to be viable if not possible.

I personally have compared PSR740 (which I own) with PSR9000PRO and motif and I have found no significant difference in sound quality despite the utter insistence of other users.

Now comes, Motif ES, Tyros and 2100 and I am very curious about the differences between all of these. I have played with 2100 briefly and for the sake of the context of this post, I will keep my opinion out of it. I have yet to test Tyros or Motif ES. But now the fact that some are questioning the difference, returns me back to square one. Is there a real difference at all? or it is an implied marketing hype to lure people to pay three times the price of 2100?

With this I welcome your comments.

My advice to ALL is that if you're pleased with your current keyboard: Don't switch!
In other words: "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it".

Arranger keyboard sounds, styles, and features will continually evolve & improve, so unless you're just overflushed with cash, stay with the keyboard you're playing as long as it continues to inspire you when playing it.

It's IMPORTANT to remember that simply purchasing the latest keyboard is NOT the SOLUTION to making you a better sounding player. There's absolutely NO SUBSITUTE to the actual practicing/playing required in order to really sound better. Instead of spending money on a new keyboard, a far better decision might be to invest in taking a few lessons from a competent keyboard instructor (preferably one versed in electronic keyboards & arrangers). In fact, a number of top pro performing musicians out there today, on occasion, employ pro 'music coaches' to help them take their music to the next level.

Scott

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sk880user "PSR740 (which I own) with PSR9000PRO and motif and I have found no significant difference in sound quality despite the utter insistence of other users.
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do this:
call up standard drums, monitor in stereo.

bring up Dance Kits on all three keyboards.

call up piano,

call up synth sounds...

If you can't tell a difference, hmmmmmmmmmmm...

PSR9000Pro will be closer to 740, but MOTIF does sound different.

WOW did my original post go around the block a few times or what!

(Scott, actually I did not make up my mind in just one day. I have been thinking about getting a Tyros for a year.)

I picked up the 2100 last summer because I was SO impressed with what it offers for the price. But after reading the glowing reports here and visiting the store to play the Ty one more time, I took the plunge...the price was good too - $2499 (twice, not three times the price of the 2100) Now I need to sell the 2100 and my VA7. You won't believe this, but guess what I'm playing my Tyros thru...
My KN7000! Sounds great, too. Now you know why I've been accused of having GAS (gear aquisition syndrome) Scott, you're right about another thing...keyboards are only tools. They are only as good as the player who plays them. I've got a long way to go to master these boards and make them sing...but the trip will be fun!

Tim

Shakil,

very good point. I did not compare 740 with motif. I only compared 740 with 9Kpro and then on a different day, I compared 9Kpro with motif. I know I opened a big can of worm.