What is the best choice a Tyros2 or G-70 OS2 ?

If you compare the overall sound you will proberly come to the conclusion that they sound different. You then have to consider which sound you like and if you play for an audience you also have to consider what they like. Do you like a live sound (G-70) or do you want to sound like a studio mix (Tyros2).
Im the happy owner of a G-70 and I like the live sound and my audience seems to like it too. I never condidered to buy the Tyros2, because I don´t like this polish sound, its boring me. BTW this breath noice in the sax sound demo, I can easily make this with a microphone.
So the best choice for me is the G-70 OS2.

Nielshs: Great to hear you're enjoying your G70.

Perhaps it depends on whether ones preferred music genre & playing style leans towards a more grittier or polished side. Each of us needs to find the board that best matches our musical character & playing style. Both the Tyros, G70, PA1X, and SD1 all have their distinctively unique sound, each appealing to different people, with all including at least something for everyone. It's this diversity of different types of sound possibilities they deliver that make for a wider rainbow of arranger music production available.

Perhaps, but can you sing lyrics 'at the same time'?

Scott

Hello Niels,
The Tyros2 sounds fantastic in my opinion because I do like the sound-image.

To be honest I think your conclusions about the T2 polished sound is slightly premature, because you did not hear, touch or play the T2.
Those guys who DID hear it live....say it sounds AMAZING !!

Never before I heard saxes, brass, guitars with this great quality/characterisics / precision.
Absolutely no 'polished'- but REAL saxes or brass. The SAV (super articulation voices) system surely is the best 'invention' in music since years.

Did any other brand invent something revolutionary keys-stuff the last 5 years ? .... if yes, what was it ?

In fact the G70 was advertised as "The best of all worlds packed in one workstation"
(nothing spectacular new)

Please enjoy the G70.... at least I will enjoy the Tyros 2 for sure

I find it funny how we are all talking about how realistic instruments sound, then we go and wash them in effects ( which are not realistic, ) then we play them through everything from a guitar amp, computer speakers, to full 10,000 watt pa rigs, so who's to say what is the right sound?

Well said frankieve

Just in case you did not realize it : The Super Articulation is NOT an effect !

It's an intelligent way to analyse how the instrument is played. After this, T2 'knows' how the next note should sound.
"No magic.... just Tyros2". (Michel Voncken sept. 2005 Tirol)

The results obtained by articulation voices of Tyros II is appreciable, but is nothing absolutely new, and the prove is that no patent has been issued by Yamaha about it.
Roland has already applied a similar concept in the V-Accordion project and in the new "Guitar Mode" of G-70 OS2, and I guess that they are going to extend it to other sounds too.
So, a nice feature, but not a miracle.

Well, I for one is glad that Roland and Korg has some great boards too. It has created a much livelier SZ forum which is good. Let there be peace and harmony between us, I am a Tyros 1 owner, but I have heard both Korg-PA1X and checked out the G-70 (old OS) and I think they are great sounding too.

How do you know that?

Because they didn't say it and because it is not possible to issue a patent for something that has already been done previously.

Because they didn't say it?
You better be quiet about things you don't know.

OK. Time will tell who is right.
No need to argue here.

I would like to hear more about this "Guitar Mode" of the G-70 and how Roland is thinking to implement it in the future for other instruments as well. More specifically, is it a feature that can be used in real time, just like the Tyros 2 does with its multi-articulation or are we talking of something that can be applied only to spice up a pre-recorded sequence or midifile?

About Guitar mode you can find more info at http://www.selskabsmusikeren.dk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=241&Itemid=28 or http://www.rolandkeyboardclub.com/v/tips5.php or http://www.rolandkeyboardclub.com/v/prod_detail.php?id=218.

It's an easy and cool way to play guitar parts in realistic way.
You can use it for real time playing or for producing styles and songs.

I don't know how and when Roland will extend this technique to other instruments; I'm only guessing that they will do it since I see that they are working in this direction too.

Thanks! It remains to be seen how this works in practice; in other words, we need to listen to songs created with this new feature.

Sorry, I have no links for it (it seems that Roland didn't provide any demo).
Anyway G-70 User Club Denmark (http://www.selskabsmusikeren.dk/) users are very active and maybe something will appear there in the future.

My .02 cents........I tried to unload the PA50 'cause I'm not serious. But not being able to do so prompted me to explore and spend major time at it. I've put together a couple sets of songs and can say that this is truly an exciting instrument, one that I could play live. The realtime navigation is workable and for the money, Korg did a great job. Thanks to the majors who keep every budget in mind
zuki

yes I know the articulation on the Yamaha is not labeled as an effect but it still something that when the music is loud or playing it will be hard to hear, and every manufacturer has tried to make an acoustic instrument sound by multi sampling or velocity sample swithcing.

Maybe yamaha did it right but when it all said and done, it's a personal feel and the way you play it.

Allot of musicians here can make an older keyboard sound amazing and some of us, expecially me need alot of technology help

I agree. It's the emotional expression delivered thru the keyboard with our chops (hands) and voice (vocal cords) that moves the audience, and some musicians are able to accomplish this with an inexpensive spinet piano & cheap microphone. That said, if that same musician played a Steinway with the latest advanced condenser microphone, it would capture and elavate the performance even greater. This is WHY I'm so excited about the new Tyros2 "Super Articulation" voices. - Scott

Frankieve,

It seems to me you think only the 'breathing' sound or the noise of sax-valves is what Yamaha calls "SAV"

SAV is much more than that ! Please listen the sax-demo again and try to notice the differences in how the tone starts, how legato sounds and staccato acts completely different.

I agree that Yamaha has brought that to another level. I know that when I owned the Tyros 1, I enjoyed their sounds, but when played through a big PA or against another keyboard like a Korg, I felt the overall sound had a thin sound, not by any means that it needed more instruments but it wasn't as full body deepness, it was a more of a boomy suedo deep, compared.

If Yamaha has made these new voices sound more realistic than before great, but if the overall sound is still " thin " to my ears, i might stay away.

long story short, yamaha has done a great job on those samples I heard, putting it up to at least par with the PA1x for realism

Frank,
I think that we can agree that the Tyros has a more "airy" but at the same time "thin" sound, due to its content of high frequencies (and a relative lack of mid-lows), while the PA1X pro and the SD1 have more "body", due to a greater content of those same mid-low frequencies.
BTW, I am not surprised that many former SD1 owners (like you and Notlos) now own a PA1X pro, because I find their overall sound very similar.