Everyone has their own technique for setting up registration files, and there is no right or wrong when it comes to using this incredible feature. In my case, I prefer using each button in the 3000's bank of 8 as a single song file, and using this technique, it allows me to name each button with that song's name.

The greatest thing about registrations, especially with Yamaha keyboards, is their versitility. Lots of options, each of which can be saved independently, and most of which can really enhance your performance. The only unfortunate thing about registrations is many owners never explore all the possibilities the keyboards have to offer. Much of this is because of the poorly written instruction manuals. Thankfully, Joe Waters at PSR-Tutorial has provided PSR users with lots of great, well written lessons that makes the learning curve a lot easier. Joe posted my personal registrations today, some of which I believe forum members will find interesting. However, the Brown Eye Girl and Johnny B Goode registrations will only work if you have the user styles I link to those individual registrations. If you want them, email me and I'll be more than happy to send them via return mail.

Additionally, some of the registrations are transposed--mainly for my convenience. Therefore, you may wish to transpose them back to the key of "C" and resave them for your own playing or singing preferences.

Enjoy,

Gary

GREAT !


Chico

Yes Garry Almost only in live play I use registrations,(every button for one song)
But did you read on some paper these settings,and have front of you?
Only irritant thing is that i must go in register bank/edit and see what is in this bank ,before I chose some of them, if I don't have book.
How You use this ? do You always have a book ?
regards!
Matteo

[This message has been edited by Matteo (edited 05-31-2005).]

I have a question. I'll explain it with a real world need.

Did a gig yesterday of original songs. Many were not in my User registrations because I ran out of memory onboard long ago.

So, I thought I could put the entire gigs worth on a floppy. But I would have to have the styles on there as well, right? Reason I didn't do it was that this would take awhile. But it was awkward fumbling around with floppy disks for certain songs and then punching in all the settings.

Bill, you can update to a 3000 and have much more user memory, plus thumb drive for virtually unlimited memory.
DonM

Bill...
Let me take a crack at this. I think I understand what you are trying to do. When I was using the PSR 2000 I had a similar dilemna.

First...so you don't lose all the stuff you have in USER, copy it all to a floppy.

Then delete your USER file completely.

Now...load into the USER file the styles or other data you need that are on the floppies that have your "original" stuff.

If you already have the registrations you need on a floppy, they will link to the styles in your USER file. If they are on more than one floppy, consolidate them onto one floppy so you don't have to keep changing disks.

If you are going to do a "set" or whole gig of originals, this will do the job.

Now, here is the downside...but it is workable:
When you want to go back to the original data you had in USER, you will have to do this process in reverse...deleting the files from USER for your originals and reloading those that you saved on the first floppy.

The process takes a couple of minutes to do it, but it can be done on a short break.

That is how I was doing it before I got the PSR 3000.

On the 3K, all of this is unecessary because you can store just about everything you will ever need using a USB storage device such as a thumbdrive or on the SmartCard.

If you have any registrations that link to external style files, you just have to be sure you have them in the USER area. The 3K has more memory in USER than the 2K...but it is no infinite.

Hope this helps.

Eddie

I no longer use a book. While performing live, you can access the registrations, then press edit to see what's in the selected bank. That's why I categorize each bank so I know what genre of song I'm selecting next. While singing one song, I can be scrolling through the registrations and be ready to select the next song at the touch of a button. It goes very smooth with a little practice and pretty much eliminates dead time between song.

Cheers,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

Bill,

You can store hundreds of registrations on a single floppy disk. Additionally, you can store up to 30 style files on a floppy disk and access them instantly via the user button. Load time is usually one second or less from the disk.

You can also set up the keyboard's MFD using internal and onboard user styles, and access time is intantaneos. When I was playing using the 2000 I always had a dozen user styles in the onboard memory, plus 10 banks of registrations and an MFD with 500 songs on it, and I didn't run out of memory. This allowed me to also keep a Gig Disk in the floppy drive, which is similar to having another 30 or more songs ready to go at the touch of a button. Just a matter of planning things out ahead of time, then sitting down at the keyboard and practicing as if you were at the gig.

Good Luck,

Gary

The way I do it, is each Registration button #1 calls up the song I want to play. It also calls up either Grand piano or an electric piano. The rest of the registration buttons are voices. I normally have #2 as harmonica, #3 for a sax, #4 organ, #5 flute or horn, #6 vibraphone, #7 guitar, and #8 brass or accordian.

This way, I get 8 extra ots's. I never have to fear pressing a registration button will call up the wrong song.

Beakybird

It's a bit confusing what to do.

My psr2000 is out of memory, can't store anything else in User. I don't want to delete what I have (styles, registrations, voices). Although, I guess I could move something to a floppy if need be.

How would you suggest I create registrations (or something) to store settings for a certain upcoming gig of 30 original songs? Any method strike you as the best way to do it?

P.S. This probably is key... I am out of styles memory and maybe half of the styles I need for these songs are NOT on keyboard, they are on floppy. I guess maybe I could move all User styles to floppy so it's empty, then reload any needed styles for these 30 songs into User. Then, create a floppy disk with Registrations for the 30 songs? I'm confused again. Uh... based on what Gary said, maybe I could just ALL of that on one floppy disk? I guess it would it hold, 30 styles and 30 Registrations.

EDIT: Another can of worms. As far as the big picture, I have over 300 original songs. I might have 150 arranged on keyboard. I'd like to have settings for all 150 SOMEWHERE. Point being, song selection for these original songs from one gig to another is different. Suffice to say, the immediate need is to solve for the next (30 songs) important gig. But there will be more gigs and songs change.

[This message has been edited by SemiLiveMusic (edited 06-01-2005).]

Bill,

If you are using nothing but 3rd party styles for each gig, then the best method is to just load them onto a floppy disk, give each style file a song name, then using the USER style button, select the style directly from the floppy disk. That's what inspired me to create the Gig Disk series a couple years ago.

If the style files for the gig are internal styles, then merely create registrations for those styles, again using any of the above techniques to access the registrations. The registrations can also be stored directly on a floppy disk, and in fact they can be saved on the same floppy disk that you stored the 3rd party style files on. Registration files are extremely small and a couple hundred would take up the same space as two style files.

Keep in mind that you also have the MFD to work with for onboard styles, and the memory size is limited to approximately 2200 entries. That's more songs than most folks even know, let alone can play.

Now, to set up for a gig, merely sit down at the computer and copy the 3rd party style files you intend to use that night on to a floppy disk. Then, just to be on the safe side, make a second copy--floppies can go bad.

If you have large numbers of registrations to work with, you may want to download a copy of Regedit, which is a great program by Heiko Plate. Unforunately, I no longer have the link, but I'm sure someone can assist you in finding it. Additionally, download some of Michael Bedesem's programs, which will also save you lots of time and make things a lot easier for you in the future. You can find Michael's programs at http://psrtutorial.com/Help/help.html

Good Luck,

Gary

Sorry to bother you again. Hopefully, almost done. I use styles from both floppies and onboard styles. As far as Music Finder, those were utilizing OTS. I don't recall why I rejected using OTS but I did for some reason.



But that would only load the style and then I still have to have a registration for the various settings I am amending for the song, right? I get confused on all of this. Is there a way I can set the song up with the style and it becomes part of the style? (So I don't even need to create a registration?)

The Music Finder... I have installed the Master list, so I have over 2,000 songs in there. I use very few of those 2,000 songs. If I deleted, say, 1500 of them, would that free up appreciable memory for storing more Registrations or Styles?

[This message has been edited by SemiLiveMusic (edited 06-01-2005).]

But that would only load the style and then I still have to have a registration for the various settings I am amending for the song, right? I get confused on all of this. Is there a way I can set the song up with the style and it becomes part of the style? (So I don't even need to create a registration?)

Bill, you can modify anything and everyting in the style, then save the modifications. You can change the OTS, intro, fills, tempo, voices, everything. Then, if you wish, rename the style to the song's title. Nothing to it. Just visit the PSR Tutorial and go through the lessons section. You find detailed instruction on how to do all these things and much more.

As for the Music Finder Directory files, they're not very large, and if I recall, the space allocated for the MFD is separate from the regular onboard memory. My MFD only eats up 32.2-K which is smaller than most midi files.

I would suggest, however, that you download a copy of Michael Bedesem's Music Finder View, which will allow you to easily edit the music finder, then create much smaller, easier to navigate gig MFDs.

Good Luck,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

[This message has been edited by travlin'easy (edited 06-02-2005).]

Thanks for replying again.

One of these days, I'll figure it out.

Hi SemiLiveMusic

I happened to see you Q&A session here and have been reading this all with great interest. We certainly have some great ideas here from all that are pitching in.

Now that I see all that went on in this thread I'd like to give you my ideas on how I would do what you're wanting to do.

The main thing I strive for is to keep things as simple as possible, both in creating your setups and also in how you're going to be doing it live.

If I were to do what you want to do now, I would put the songs you do using onboard styles into the MusicFinder. For now using the 30 songs you want to get ready, I'd put some simple title in the keywords so you can bring up that group in search.

To me the easiest way is to use only one letter that signifies what it is you're working with.

You might want to call your 30 tunes your "A" list for example.

Then I'd put your user styles on a floppy, and as Gary suggests, have a back up disk. You can put the song title in place of the style name.

Then, if you are like most of us, unless you tell me different, I suppose you are using the same basic sounds (voices) in most of your work. This could be 10 sounds or 30. Doesn't make any difference.

I would set up your main sounds in the user voices so they are in a specific group always on a specific page. BTW user voices take up zilch as far as memory storage. If you can let go of one or two insignificant things to make room, you will find this a very easy way to have YOUR sounds ready and not have to do OTS for every song.

I would only use Reg Mem for your absolute main voices and mostly for sounds that you layer.

This will be, it seems to me, the least amount of time setting up this method and also using user voices repitisiously in the same location over and over will be very easy to get used to.

Once you're set up this way, make sure the OTS button that makes your voice change with the change of a style variation is turned off. Otherwise, you will set up your user voice, press a variation button and the kb will go to the Yamaha OTS factory setting for that style.

Now, pick the style either from MFD or your gig disk, press the "F" button , then press the MAIN button, then press USER VOICE button, then pick the page with your desired sounds, pick your first sound and off you go. If want to change voices during the song, just look in the screen and press the one you want.

I hope this gives you a little more food for thought.

I remember that 2000 drove me crazy until I found simple methods that worked good for me.

Good Luck

Scott Langholff

There is much to digest in this thread. However, your last post, Scott, I think I understand what you posted but... I really don't know if I can press one of those buttons around the screen fast enough. Maybe I can. But sometimes, there is almost no time. I can barely jab at a button. Maybe I should change my music.

The Registration buttons are, by far, the most accessible, being very close the right hand as I play. I need to digest all of this to see if I can figure out how to do this with Registration buttons.

Actually, I'll try what you said a few times.

Bill,
Give me a call when you have time.
Don

Hi SemiLiveMusic

The main thing is you find what works for you. Anything that I have said is only a suggestion, I hope you realize. My way is just one way that just happens to work really good for me.

In the end I think which ever one you pick, the more you use it, it will get easier and become more natural to you. If you try something for a reasonable period of time and it's not totally comfortable for you I'd say it's time to try something different.

Scott