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#189864 - 03/09/04 09:32 PM Korg's new offering...
keybplayer Offline
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The new Pa1X with internal speakers pic:

Pa1X with internal Speakers Pic

Here is the related info from Korg's site about the Pa1X:


Pa1X - Professional Arranger

Keyboard:
61 synth-action keys with Velocity and Aftertouch

System:
KORG RX (Real eXperience) Technology and OPOS (Objective Portable Operating System) - Multitasking, Load-While-Play feature.
SSD (Solid State Disk)-resident
Upgradable Operating System.



Sound Data:
Tone Generator:
Advanced HI Synthesis - 62 Voices,
62 Oscillators - Filters with Resonance


Multitimbral Parts:
Internal:
40 channels

Midi:
16 channels

ROM Sounds:
828 (incl. Stereo Piano and GM2 sounds) + 48 Drum Kits

RAM Sounds:
256 Sounds - 64 Drum Kits

Digital Drawbars:
8 Footages - Realtime control using the 8 Assignable Sliders

Sound Edit:
On-board full editing for Sounds and Drum Kits

Sampling:
Record, Edit, Time Slice (compatible with Korg, Wav, Aiff and AKAI)

RAM Memory:
16 MB Standard - up to 32 MB with Optional 16MB SIMM modules

ROM Expansion:
2 slots available - up to 32 MB

Effects:
4 Stereo Master (89 effects plus Vocoder)


Voice Processor:
Voice Technology by TC Helicon:
Four part harmonizer, reverb, Delay, Compressor, EQ. (Options: Pitch Correction and Voice Modeling.)

Real Time Tracks:
4 Keyboard tracks (Upper 1/2/3, Lower) - 4 Pads

Performances:
320 Realtime Performance Locations

STS (Single Touch Settings)::
Memorize Realtime tracks and Voice Processor settings, 4 per Style/ or SongBook entry


Style Data:
Flash ROM Styles:
Up to 608 locations -
Preloaded Styles: 450;
User Styles: 96 (user area, but all styles are re-writable)

Style Tracks:
8 plus 1 Performance per style

Style Record:
Step Record, Track & Event Edit functions

Direct from Disk:
96 Styles Direct Disk and 288 Styles Direct Hard Disk

Compatibility:
i-series and Pa80/60 series styles

STS:
4 (Real time tracks + Acc. tracks) all programmable per style

Style Grooves:
Using the internal PCM RAM memory

Style Controls:
4 Variations, 2 Fills, 2 Intros, 2 Endings, Intro 3/Count In, Fill 3/Break, Synchro Start/Stop, Tap Tempo/Reset, Fade In/Out, Bass Inversion, Manual Bass, Tempo Lock, Memory, Accompaniment Volume, Accompaniment Mute, Drum Mapping, Snare & Kick Designation, Single Touch

Song Play:
Patented XDS Crossfade Dual Sequencer player;
2 Sequencers with separate Select, Start/Stop, Pause,
<< (Rewind) and >> (Fast Forward) controls - Balance control

Lyrics data:
Can be displayed on-screen, or on an external video monitor (requires optional VIF3 interface board)

Jukebox function:
SMF Direct Player (formats 0 and 1) - Reads Audio CDs and MP3 files (both with option installed)

Sequencer:
XDS Dual sequencer; separate controls for each Sequencer + Balance Slider

Tracks:
16 + 16

Sequencer Edit:
Record & Edit functions

Backing Sequence:
Quick record, Multi-track Record - Step Record

Lyrics/Chords:
On-Screen (compatible with most popular formats)

Event Memory:
approximately 200,000

MP3 Player:
Single MP3 Player/Recorder (optional with
EXBP – MP3 board)

CD Audio Player:
KORG CDRW-1 drive (optional - rewritable starting
from O.S.. 2.0)


Other Features:
SongBook:
Fully Programmable musical database based on Styles, SMF, Karaoke and Mp3 files (with optional player), with automatic selection of Style Play and Song Play modes, user definable custom lists and filtering options

Arabic Scale:
Programmable

Help:
Hypertextual, contextual help system - Multilingual starting from O.S. 1.5

Multi Pad:
4 Assignable Pads + Stop button

Internal SSD:
16 MB for O.S and all Resources

Floppy Disk:
3.5 2DD/2HD - Ms-Dos compatible


User Interface:
Display:
320 x 240 Graphical Color Touch Screen Display

Data storage:
2DD-2HD Floppy Disk Drive (MS-DOS compatible);
2.5" ATA Hard Disk Drive; Optional CD-RW
(KORG CDRW-1)

General controls:
Master Volume, Ensemble, Octave Transpose, Master Transpose, Split Point, Style Change, Tracks Volume, Quarter Tone and Arabic Scale memorized inside Performance/STS

Realtime controllers:
Joystick (pitch + modulation), Assignable Sliders, Assignable Switches, Pads, Dial


Connections:
MIDI:
IN1 - OUT1 - IN2 - OUT2
(OUT 1/2 programmable as Thru)

USB:
Connector: Type B - Format: Slave (ver. USB 1.1)

Analog Outputs:
4 Analog (Left/Right/Out1/Out2) ¼” unbalanced

Digital Output:
S/PDIF coaxial (mirroring Main Stereo Outputs)

Analog Inputs:
2 Line In, 1 Mic Balanced input (w/separate gain control)

Headphone:
1 (Front ¼” stereo jack)

Pedals:
1 Damper; 1 Assignable Footswitch/Pedal; EC 5 connector

Power Supply:
Universal 100 ~ 240V AC power supply, 35W power consumption

Dimensions:
44.21” W x 16.85” D x 7.44” H

Weight:
48.5 lbs / 22 kg

Accessories:
User’s Manual, AC Power Cable, Music Stand, CDRW installation kit


Options:
Hard Disk:
optional

CDRW-1:
rewritable CD (CD burning supported from O.S. 2.0)

EXBP-MP3:
Mp3 encoder/decoder (supported from O.S. 1.5)

SUG-TC1:
TC Helicon Pitch Correction and Voice Modeling (supported from O.S.1.5)

PaX-EXB01:
Concert Grand Piano Expansion Board

VIF 3:
Video Interface Board (PAL or NTSC formats)

EXP-2:
Expression/Volume Pedal

XVP-10:
Professional Expression/Volume Pedal

EC5:
Assignable Multi-Switch Controller

DS-1H:
Damper Pedal

PS-1:
Switch Pedal


Sound System:
Amplification:
Bi-amp 2 x 35 W (Woofer) + 2 x 12 W (Tweeter);Loudness; Fixed Eq

Speakers:
4 Speakers (13 cm Woofer + Dome Tweeter) 2 way;
Bass Reflex Box enclosure

Specifications subject to change without notice


"Now we know what the RX in RX Technology stands for; - (Real eXperience). I thought it might of been "Radical eXtreme" sound technology or "Revolutionary eXtended" sound technology. 'Real eXperience' doesn't cut it if you ask me." That term doesn't really define any cohesive definition of what really makes up the RX technology.

Real eXperience?? What is that suppose to mean??? Oh well...

Also; you will almost need a crane to lift it. It weighs 3 1/2 lbs. MORE than the 76 Key Pa1XPRO does.

Best regards,
Mike

[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 03-09-2004).]
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#189865 - 03/10/04 06:04 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
Dnj Offline
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48 Pounds?....Yikes! ...But my other concerns would be how fast without a glitch, you would be juggling and accessing, searching, thru all the features like ...Live play, Mp3, Sequencer, while playing another, this is essential on stage during a performance. Nice power on the speakers.Price, Release date?
Thanx for sharing.

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#189866 - 03/10/04 06:25 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
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Wow 48 lbs! Geez oh man... That's pretty heavy for a portable arranger.... Hell that's more than the 9000 Pro. Wasn't the PSR-9000 48lbs? Did korg really have portability in mind with this one? Portability to me is something like the PSR-2000/2100. Both excellent keyboards and easy on the back. Will you even be able to get a case with wheels for the new Korg?

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#189867 - 03/10/04 06:34 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
Dnj Offline
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Common Psr3000

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#189868 - 03/10/04 06:49 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
keybplayer Offline
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Thanks Donny. I forgot to mention the price and availability. Well, it's suppose to MAP for $3,499.95. That's the lowest Dealers can go! It 'retails' for $4,300 and many independent dealers (excluding George and DanO of course ) will try and sell it for much more than the $3,499.95.

Availability is suppose to be April 1ST of 'this' year!!! My opinion? "I DON'T THINK SO!" Except maybe in Denmark, etc., like they did with the Pa1XPRO.

Best regards,
Mike
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#189869 - 03/10/04 06:51 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
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Portable kbd with 48 Lbs???
I remember the sad days with 9000

Chico

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#189870 - 03/10/04 06:54 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
Dnj Offline
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Ouch...my back hurts just reading the weight, I still have battle wounds from the 9k I'll pass at $3499.00.......when Kb's are becoming throw away items like most consumer electronic items in this day and age.....the minute you buy something the next great thing comes out 6 months later and leaves you holding the bag...
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#189871 - 03/10/04 07:29 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
rhumba Offline
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One of the many feature of the PA1x is the sliders similar to the old Korg i-series. I don't see that in this new keyboard.

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#189872 - 03/10/04 07:33 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
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"Well, it's suppose to MAP for $3,499.95. That's the lowest Dealers can go! "

That is not true. This is the minimun advertised price, they can and almost ALL the dealers will sell it for less than that. I bought by PA1X Pro for $550 less than MAP without any problem. If the MAP is $3499, expect to pay around $2900 for it.

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#189873 - 03/10/04 07:36 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
Tomcat Offline
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There are 8 sliders just underneath the display. My impression is that they work the same way they did on the I30.

Tom
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#189874 - 03/10/04 07:45 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
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It's apparent here that one's arranger keyboard decision boils down to having to make 'tradeoffs' and figuring out what you're able to live with/without.

Determine 'your' highest priorities and work down the list. Everyone's priorities will of course differ:

1) Keyboard's Overall weight & size
2) 61, 76, or 88 notes
2) Key 'feel' and 'size'
3) Built in Speakers or NO built in Speakers
4) Sounds
5) Styles
6) Other 'must have' feature that 'you' specifically require

All above things considered, I still feel the Yamaha Tyros remains the best arranger to suit my current arranger playing needs. - Scott
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#189875 - 03/10/04 07:57 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
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I agree with Scott, it's just a matter of what you're able to live with/without. I really wanted to buy Tyros when it first came out, but the lack of sampler kept me away. I use sampled percussion loops with styles, so a sampler was a must have.

PA1X, in my opinion has every feature that I was looking for and more.

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#189876 - 03/10/04 11:21 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
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Did I miss something? This only has 16mb worth of wave forms without expansion? So, if you buy more expansion, you can get it up to what? 64 mb? While the Tyros has 96 mb built right in? Did I miss something, or is this Korg's best? What about the beloved PA1Xpro? how much sample space does it have?

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#189877 - 03/10/04 11:33 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
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"48lbs" ?!?!? ... Any of you guys ever haul a Rhodes??? ...
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#189878 - 03/10/04 12:08 PM Re: Korg's new offering...
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Sissies.

Hammond B3 hernia anyone? 190kg/400lbs.
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#189879 - 03/10/04 02:41 PM Re: Korg's new offering...
keybplayer Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by harosha:
"Well, it's suppose to MAP for $3,499.95. That's the lowest Dealers can go! "

That is not true. This is the minimun advertised price, they can and almost ALL the dealers will sell it for less than that. I bought by PA1X Pro for $550 less than MAP without any problem. If the MAP is $3499, expect to pay around $2900 for it.


I'm sorry 'harosha' but I meant it is the lowest Dealers can "advertise" it for. They can't "advertise" it for lower than Korg's MAP price which is $3,499.95. You are right harosha; a person CAN haggle with the Dealer to get a price lower than the listed MAP price. I did this when I purchased my Tyros. I paid less than the 'advertised' MAP price too.

Best regards,
Mike
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#189880 - 03/10/04 02:54 PM Re: Korg's new offering...
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"Did I miss something? This only has 16mb worth of wave forms without expansion? So, if you buy more expansion, you can get it up to what? 64 mb? While the Tyros has 96 mb built right in? Did I miss something, or is this Korg's best? What about the beloved PA1Xpro? how much sample space does it have?"

16MB is the RAM for Sampler not the factory sample ROM size. They didn't list the sample ROM size on their site, I'll have to check my manual or may be someone else can post.

The 96MB in Tyros is the sample ROM, I am sure PA1X has similar ROM size.

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#189881 - 03/10/04 02:55 PM Re: Korg's new offering...
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Sissy my arse ...when you gotta carry one of those beasts to 300 gigs and setup its no picnic plus the rest of the gear..no need for a 50lb+ suitcase to tote IMO....
oh yea by the way...I did carry a Rhodes,Crumar,Juno. B3, Leslie 147 and very other monstrosity ever created thru the years..

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#189882 - 03/10/04 03:49 PM Re: Korg's new offering...
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One thing that surprises me since this is such an expensive keyboard, is that while Yamaha has 4 fills and a break per style, the Korg just has 2 fills and a break per style. Doesn't it get tiring to just have two fills in a song? And don't you have to press two buttons to get a fill and a new style variation? With the Yamaha you just press one button and you get a new fill and a new style variation.

The weight and the price is very expensive, but it does look like it has a lot of bells and whistles.

However, Korg's keyboards have very complex operating systems.

I'm going through tough economic times, so I'll definitely pass. Will still pick up two PSR3000s to replace my two PSR2100s. I can't wait.

Beakybird

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#189883 - 03/10/04 07:59 PM Re: Korg's new offering...
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Wow- I thought my KN6000 was tough to haul around (yeah...ok, i'm one of those sissies!! )

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#189884 - 03/10/04 09:11 PM Re: Korg's new offering...
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Beakybird,
With Korg arrangers you can go into arranger preferences and have the fill 1 or 2 button go to any variation you like or just have it go up one with each press of the fill button or down 1 with each press. Or, if you like you can pick a variation you wish to go to everytime you hit either fill 1 or fill 2.
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#189885 - 03/12/04 08:06 PM Re: Korg's new offering...
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About those fills, many of the Korg style patterns are much longer than the patterns in the Yamaha styles, with mini-fills already programmed in. To me, you can play one variation much longer without it sounding repetitive than you can with Yamaha.

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#189886 - 03/14/04 11:02 AM Re: Korg's new offering...
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Right On Bill E! My feelings exactly. The Pa1xpro styles are not repetitive or boring.

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#189887 - 03/14/04 03:16 PM Re: Korg's new offering...
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Keyboards becomes more and more organs. In weight and price, because built in speakers. Don't we have HiFi systems at home? We can use this for amplifying the keyboard with better results.
Why does Korg copy the Yamaha PSR 9000 mistake?

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