hello people

what do you thing of these 2? (same price range.)
I have to choose and i'm looking for opinions.Feel free...

regards
KeybG

Is teh E50 available yet?

I would wait, the new Yamahas should be out before years end

Yamaha has told me that there is no new PSR1500/3000 models coming out this year at all.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California

I was very impressed by E-50.
Anyway I prefer Roland sounds to Yamaha, so I suggest you to check E-50 by yourself as soon as it hits the market.

Well thats settles that Idea......they'll be many unhappy players hearing this news ;(

Not for me. If you always wait for the new releases you will never get a new board.

Surely it's better to wait for something worthwhile even if it's not coming out until next year. I've heard and seen the E80 and it isn't a vast improvement from the G70 so the lower specced E50 surely can't compete with what Yamaha are going to come out with.
The choice is yours

Someone advised that the E50's will be out in August. Try before you buy.
I can understand KeybG frustration in waiting for Yamaha. I'm tempted to buy the PSR1500 NOW. Waiting till next year is a bummer, but time is on our side. (time is on my side, yes it is(Stones) ) The longer you wait the better the board, and at a similiar price. I haven't heard the E50, but the PSR1600 will blow the socks off it, IMO, without hearing either. It will probably have some megavoices, maybe even a few SA voices.
I suspect that Roland's messed up marketing will price the E50 close to the PSR31000 not PSR1600, which will make the PSR1600 a super value.
Starkeeper

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I suspect that Roland's messed up marketing will price the E50 close to the PSR31000 not PSR1600, which will make the PSR1600 a super value.
Starkeeper
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I couldn't agree with you more on that statement! Rolands arrangers are quite high in price when you weigh price against features. A good example is the Roland EXR series. Take a look at the EXR5s. No style recorder, no voice editing, no post song editing, and that puppy sells for $800.00!! YIKES

Roland's Boss products are the same way. Their prices on the drum machine line are terribly high when comparing to other makers. Even the dealer cost on Boss equipment will make you cringe Just ask DanO on that one He's made comments regarding that in the past

Yes their marketing strats are very odd too. Especially with the G-70. I just wonder if they'll pull the same crap with the E-80.

Squeak




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It is really funny to see your post guys, especially when talking about things that you don't know (e.g. how the E50 will sound compared to any old or new Yamaha) or things that you could know (e.g. the price of the new E50 compared to the Yamaha: it will be nearer to PSR1500 than any PSR3000 or PSR1600 PSR1700 PSR1800 and so on...just give a look to the internet stores before giving sentences)

Your biased opinion are really annoying, especially when they arise in every single post that try to make constructive comparison between products.

My 2 cents.

We don't just blindly post these assumptions. We use our knowledge and a companies "history" both past and present--taking into consideration their marketing strats to come to these conclusions. It's a FACT (not assumption) that Roland's arrangers don't weigh well when considering price against features, and then comparing them to companies such as Yamaha. Their prices are higher--plain and simple. Plus their dealer costs are higher too in several areas (such as their Boss equipment) Can't ignore that.

Now sound quality is always subjective, so I can see your point there. As far as price--again, their past and present marketing strats speak for that.

Squeak

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You are right, I was referring about sentences like:

Starkeeper wrote


or
Craig_UK wrote:


IMHO this is a polite sentence:


My other 2 cents.

I'm in italy and already have the prices for all 3 new boards from roland.(i don't want to do any adv. just look the web)

E-50 900 euro
E-60 1300 euro
E-80 3000 euro

The E-60 is in the same price range with yamaha psr 3000 but with 76 keys. Only concern is that has only 120 styles. I can't understand why Roland is doing that. Maybe beacuse the G-70 has only 285, therefore the new series couldn't have more than the half.
I already tested the yamaha 1500-3000 very nice boards in the half price of Tyros.
In the other hand I was always very impresed with the pianos from Roland and with a 76 keybed (E-60) and quality styles for me this is also will do. Wiss had a few more...
I think that Roland is back in the middle range of pro arrangers...

What really irks me is that here where we live between some of the biggest cities in the USA New York/Philadelphia etc its almost impossible to find/play Roland products G70/E80 etc amongst the other biggies also Yamaha/Korg/Ketron also in the Big Chain Stores....what the heck is going on.....has the Internet totally ruined the buying experience & surrendering the consumer to having to BUY a Top keyboard with a 30/45 day return policy ...then after you play it and don't like it simply send it back & try again? then they can sell B Stock to people who want a cheaper price? Whats happened to the days when you can call a good local store ...make an appointment to spend a few ours with a keyboard and play it in the store with an intelligent sales man or store owner so you can make a wise decision or comparison to buy & know you'll have their backup for support & service after the sale Arrrrgggggg....whats the use ?

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Hi keybG!
I'm in Italy too!!!



you are right, but remember that the E50/60 has an expansion memory where you can put additional styles, and it is fully compatible with E80 and G70 styles! (how will it be difficoult to connect to a E80 and copy all the styles from its memory to your memory device SD or CF??? )

regards...

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What really irks me is that here where we live between some of the biggest cities in the USA New York/Philadelphia etc its almost impossible to find/play Roland products G70/E80 etc amongst the other biggies also Yamaha/Korg/Ketron also in the Big Chain Stores....what the heck is going on.....has the Internet totally ruined the buying experience & surrendering the consumer to having to BUY a Top keyboard with a 30/45 day return policy ...then after you play it and don't like it simply send it back & try again? then they can sell B Stock to people who want a cheaper price? Whats happened to the days when you can call a good local store ...make an appointment to spend a few ours with a keyboard and play it in the store with an intelligent sales man or store owner so you can make a wise decision or comparison to buy & know you'll have their backup for support & service after the sale Arrrrgggggg....whats the use ?
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Dnj, I am sooooo with you on this! You're right on the money there. The internet is really killing ones ability to test drive an instrument as we once did through our local dealers. Too bad we all don't have George Kayes, and DanO's in our towns and cities.

I live in the state of West Virginia...., when I demoed the PSR-3000 it was in a store that was (3) hours from my home! The store I visited was in Morgantown West Virginia. Geez! and I don't live in the boonies either This has to be one of probably less than 3 stores in my entire state that carry these models. No one carrys the high and med end arrangers, and MANY in my area don't even carry the top synths.., then to really top it off NO ONE knows how to use the damn things.

EVERY music store I have visited in WV.., I have found that 90% of the employees were guitar players, bass players, and drummers. I have yet to meet a "qualified" keyboard salesman in this state. Are we a deminishing breed?

Just a quick side note here.... I have been offered SOOOO many jobs by music stores here to sell keyboards for them, but the damn jerks are sooo cheap, they wan't me to demo Casio's lowest end (all models bellow the WK's), and the lowest of the PSR range. These are keyboards you buy at any local Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Sams Club, and other department stores, and they wan't me to demo these things??????

Squeak

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Hey guys what's going on in the USA?
Here in Italy you can find a music store in every corner.
Every day you can go in a different store and play with the boards, so you don't have to buy one....hahahahaha
But it's very sad what you are saying!

Ciao Phantom75 !!!

Geez you're lucky! It's not like that in the US. Here in the US so many people now have the "quick give it to me now and do it cheaper than everyone else" mind set.

It seems more and more Americans are just looking for the "absolute best deal" and by doing so we're phasing out in store sales (especially in the music instrument world). I have such high respect for people like George Kaye, and DanO who run music stores in the US. Competition with the internet is really high. I'm sure George and other store owners can tell you that they find customers asking more often "Can you match internet and catalog prices"? The stores now find themselves obligated to due this to keep a sale, and then take a bit of loss (which they do because for example: George Kayes dealer cost on a PSR-3000 is considerably more than say MusiciansFriend's dealer price). Online retailers buy stock in the hundreds and thousands where as local dealers can only afford one or maybe two (one on the floor, and one in the box).

Squeak

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Roland E50, 900 Uros = $1,134.01 US
Yamaha PSR3000 = $1,500.US
Yamaha PSR1500 = $1,295. US
We'll see what the price is when it hits the U.S. and Canada.

Starkeeper, here in the US the going price for the PSR-1500 is $999.00 It comes in just under a grand. That's why I said I thought the 1500 was a good value for the money.

Squeak

I saw both a G70 and a PSR1500 at the same store last week. It's only my opinion, and my tastes in sound and styles, but I will say that if these were my only two choices, I would pick the 1500 even if the G70 cost less than the 1500 does.

That probably doesn't help anyone else in the least bit, since I like what I like and the next person maybe likes something totally different. I just got the sense that what I was hearing from the G70's styles and panel voices was a little flat, while the 1500 had a crisp and musical sound to it. It's hard for me to imagine that I'd like the lower end E50 much better than the G70, but I guess anything is possible.

AJ

i expect nothing like psr1500 from roland. even exr was better build than psr. and now, e50-e60 having almost the same features as g70, i think they will have also good quality "box".
features like, e60 has obviously more than psr. keybed i expect to be better as well.
the rest, sounds, styles, etc is too personal taste to debate too intensively.

how much you'll use the power that the instrument offer is another story. some like better having everything ready out of box. some like tweaking and editing more.
the best always is to find the middle way.

Roland will, more then likely, have a better buld quality, a better keybed, and will also have full sized keys. The E50/60 will not have organ flutes like the G70(the PSR1500 does have organ flutes). Not sure what "box" features are. Roland will also make a 76 note keybed (E60). Yamaha will probably not.
Starkeeper


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Well, there you go. The PSR1500 will sell for less then the E50 (assuming the euro price converts to U.S. dollars when it hits America).
I was looking at the local Buy and Sell paper, and find a lot more Yamaha keyboards on sale then Rolands. That either means that Yamaha is selling more keyboards or Roland owners are not selling their keyboards.
Starkeeper

You get what you pay for.....I will take quality over......................etc.

So far all i read is a lot of speculation.If no one likes the current selection of arrangers keyboards, than i suggest you buy a regular keyboard with 76 or 88 0r 120 etc and join a band . Make sure every band member shows up for the gig or maybe sober himup,or go with one or two less members todo the job. Arrangers are never going to satisfy everyone, and those of you who are lucky and talented enough tto be able to play a piano or full sized keyboard should do so and stopcomplaining what themanufactors will or willnot do.I love my T2 and before that my t1 and before that myX1, Ms50 and soforth. Each has been a better upgrade for my taste and since i work almost every day playing ,i guess my customers seem to like what is being done also. Sorry if i offended anyone, but get tired of the same old stories. Bob L.

Since that i starded this thread, i would like to add something. No offens, and i am speaking for my self.
BUT
If i had the opportunity and the money to buy one of the top arrangers of the market such as tyros 2, we wouldn't be talking now.

For those who want to buy something more affordable, it is very important the
VALUE FOR MONEY

regards
KeybG

I completely understand what you're saying. There are quite a few here that perform several times a week, so they in the end see a return on their investment. For those of us who don't perform anymore that $3,000+ price tag on the T2, and other high end arrangers from Korg and Roland is very "steep". I've got several synths now, but it took me some time, and shmoozing up the wife to get them.

Squeak

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"box": simply the case where everything is in. the plastic/metal body of the instrument.

if i had more money:
1. tyros2
2. ketron
3. g70/pa1x

because i have not:
1. e60
2. psr3000
3. pa50 - i owned one last year.