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#193571 - 08/10/05 03:42 PM
Re: Would someone listen to this recording? (Paging)
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Registered: 01/17/05
Posts: 172
Loc: australia
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Originally posted by SemiLiveMusic: Screw it, I give up.
I am using an Audix OM5 mic. It was mixed using headphones. Cheap ones.
I appreciate help. It is obvious I don't know enough to pull this off for decent recordings. They'll do for work demo's but this one needs to be better than a work demo but I'm running out of time. I could just haul my keyboard and guitar to a studio and do it in one session.
The style might be kinda screwball. I'd bet it's been tweaked.
The acoustic guitar, that's not mic'd, it's using the onboard electronics. Cheap Takamine.
I just imported the original tracks. Two keyboard tracks, one acoustic guitar. Then converted that to mp3 without touching the tracks. Nothing. I have wondered if I'm screwing up the mix worse by messing with e.q. and reverb, etc.
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bill, 1. dont use cans for mixing. 2. go to the mic web page, or get the manual for it and find out its maximum threshold eg it might be 100db, and ensure your tracking does not exceed this, and in fact stays at least 10%below this..say 35% for cheaper mics. 3.you don't have to "know" a great deal. use your ears objectively, and listen to your mix on different devices, even a portable MP3 player will give you a different perspective. 4.work out what you want your song to do and then mix it accordingly..for example this song tells a story, let the vocal lead, and use minimum instrumentation, imagine you have a band, drummer, bass, gtr and piano, and mix it like you would hear them playing it. 5.sometimes (mostly!!!) the simpler the better, constant tweaking takes you further and further from the original. 6. minimum use of reverb, it just muddies things up and lessens any definition and pushes instruments back in the mix, and can, in some case make the whole thing sound thin and lifeless (yes i know that seems a contradiction, but it can happen) 7. when you make a major change to the mix, walk away, go play golf, go for a walk, have a sleep, go outside whatever....just make sure you have break and then come back and re-listen. theres more but i hope that helps you.. soz one more thing,8. its dificult, but mic the gtr,then you'll get more of the nice harmonics, and resonances of the gtr itself, plus the airspace around it, which wil make it a lot "warmer"..about 7-12 inches out and roughly pointed in the direction of the space between the sound hole and the end of the fret board...aim further up the fretboard for slightly thinner. most important DONT GIVE UP!!!!! cheers dennis [This message has been edited by manic2257 (edited 08-10-2005).]
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#193572 - 08/10/05 03:58 PM
Re: Would someone listen to this recording? (Paging)
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 2206
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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Dennis, I was lacing my shoes up for a hike (no kidding) and read your post. I'm going to the river, yep. Frogs and hawks and coyotes. Which reminds me... last time I was there, a big hawk swooped down at a coyote pup. I yelled when he was striking and saved the pup. Yay, me. Anyway, one last question. Yes, when I originally wrote this, I wanted something kinda "mellow." Then I went to the Municipal AGAIN (really) and I got to reading some exhibits and got to thinking about early rockabilly. And I thought it would be very appropos to make this song rockabilly. Now, I _love_ rockabilly. So, question to Dennis is, do you? Do you not like rockabilly? Or do you not like this particular style? Or not with this song? I thought I was on to something with that rockabilly thing. Of course, you and I both realize I could ask 100 people about a song and get 50 answers. But I do respect your opinion, as I do anyone who is familiar with the genre in question. One of the hardest things about songwriting is you work so long on a song, at least, I do, you get to where you start not trusting yourself. I find that if a song really trips my trigger, it almost always finds favor with most people. But the thing is, sometimes a song has to kind of grow on you. Lorrie Morgan personally turned down "Woman In Red" five times. That's incredible. A career song and she turned it down five times. Not her agent, not her publisher, SHE turned it down five times. Then she got it. Recently, I heard a George Strait song. I didn't like it. Second time, I liked it. Third time, I really liked it. It ain't easy or everyone would do it. I thought mastering songwriting was the hardest thing I'd ever tried. Nope, recording is. Thanks much! ------------------ Bill Yamaha PSR2000
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#193579 - 08/11/05 05:42 AM
Re: Would someone listen to this recording? (Paging)
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 2206
Loc: Louisiana, USA
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James is James Burton, the living legend guitarist. Started out with Ricky Nelson but is most famous for being Elvis' guitarist for nine years. Guitarist for many other touring acts. Still touring and doing session work. Next week, hosts the James Burton International Guitar Festival with a BIG SHOW at the Municipal with many other living legend guitar gods.
Okay, I'm gonna stick with the first version for now. Later, I'll run both versions by more people.
Think of it this way. There were a few reasons I had wanted to try rockabilly. First, uptempo and bouncy is favored in the songwriting world. Most songwriters have difficulty writing uptempo. Ballads are a dime a dozen. Although, this was never a ballad. But if you have two ways to go with a song, the snappy one will get the most attention. Of course, the song has to work.
Second, rockabilly was largely brought to the forefront at this building. Johnny Cash, Elvis, even in some Hank Williams, you can hear what would become rockabilly.
Third, James Burton. I thought he would love it a whole lot more if it were rockabilly because he is credited with 'inventing' the 'chicken-pickin' guitar style. I could have a good guitarist on this song tear it up.
EDIT: And I have TONS of story songs that are not bouncy and free. PLENTY!
So, I dunno but for now, first version. Thanks to all!
As far as giving up, heck, I'm not giving up, that was just a funny. I might give up for a few hours but that's it!
------------------ Bill Yamaha PSR2000
[This message has been edited by SemiLiveMusic (edited 08-11-2005).]
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