Hi everyone,
I'm kinda new here
i've sit now for hour and half, reading some last time posts about keyboards and so on.

I'm new to keyboards at all, i wanna learn how to play but i take it seriously because i really love it and always had just couldn't efford it.

So basically i'm having doubts between:
* PSR-3000 (my main choice) - heard its easy keyboard to use (like a all-in-one tool)
* Roland Fantom X6/X7/X8
* Roland G-70

i would be very happy if the PSR-3000 was 88-key (like RD-700SX)

few reasons why i started thinking about the Roland Fantom/G-70 because its upgradeable got this SRX slots, also got better "style and looks" and it has more keys(X7/X8/G-70)
also looks like roland has abit more expirience with keyboards than yamaha which looks abit kiddie...

anyway, im really new to this so ill be really happy to get some tips from pro's to "arrange my brain"

Thanks in advance

If you are really wanting to play and play well with good technique, and price is not a problem, the G70 will be a very good choice. It has 76 keys and the keyfeel is good for serious playing IMO. It has alot of sounds and styles that could serve you well as you start off and if you ever want to gig, you could still use it.

The PSR 3000
(or any other 61 key keyboard with a keyfeel that is not very good) is good for experienced players who are not concerned with playing technique but just the economics of their situation. The PSR 3000 is a good entertainment tool for just playing 1, 2 or 3 fingered chords in the left and a simple melody in the right (and there is nothing wrong with that).

It really depends on how far as a keyboard player you want to get. If you want to really have relatively good technique and develop a good type of touch as a keyboard player, then starting off with the G70 would be a good keyboard for you.

If you just want to do chords in the left and melody in right then the PSR 3000 would be OK.
HTH
P.S With the G70 you can do every thing that the PSR 3000 can do including playing chords in the left hand and melody in the right. You would not be able to do that with the Roland Fantom 6, 7 or 8. The G70 and the Roland Fantom 7 and 8 has a much better keyboard feel for serious playing.


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Retal, you say you are new to keyboards does that mean you can play the piano but wish to change? Being new to keyboards you will find that there is so much to learn and enjoy, and the Yamaha is very easy to play compared to most.The 3000 has had some excellent reviews as also the tyros1&2 which are the next models up.The learning curve on some boards takes a long time to learn. My opinion is the psr 3000, because its cheaper, easier to operate, there are loads of free styles you can add , and there are a lot of good forum sites whereas you can get advice quickly, also quite a few pro,s use this board so it is popular, and there are a lot of yamaha dealers. If you buy one and later you may decide to go for something better the experience you will have will make it so much easier. Its always easier to trade up than trade down. But as is always said try it out for yourself , we can guide you in the right direction ,but you are the one that has to decide.mike

Hey .. thanks for all the info

I've checked out prices for G-70, i'll never be able to efford it its much more expensive than the PSR-3000

and nardoni2002, i played once but i douno chords and tabs or anything like that so basically i'm as good as anyone else who ever played piano in my whole life.. hehe if it helps im a fast computer keyboard typer..

i can buy the PSR3000 at $1500 in my country.. israel.
I'll buy the PSR3000 because as u said its easy for learning and got alots of support for me and thats great as a starter, though i douno if its tradeable in my country after you buy it, and i have also no idea if its expandable like roland's with their srx slots. but anyway ill buy the psr3000 in the next week with the ac adapter and a stand, but without any footage pedals or somt

many thanks

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The PSR-3000 is an excellent choice. It is used by many of the top OMB entertainers in the U.S., and you'll find more user support, and third-party style files for Yamaha keyboards than all others combined.

After purchasing the PSR-3000, go to PSR Tutorial and go through the lessons section. You'll find a wealth of solid information that will guide you through the keyboard's operating system with ease. Additionally, most forum members will be able to answer any questions that may arrise if you have problems.

Good Luck,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

Retal,
What does, "basically i'm as good as anyone else who ever played piano in my whole life" mean?
Are you saying you have played piano all your life? If you have been playing piano all your life, then you most likely will not like the feel of any non-weighted keyboard including the PSR3000. If you are completely new to keyboards, the the PSR3000 will be great.
The PSR3000 is NOT expandable via external sound cards like the G70.
Starkeeper

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"basically i'm as good as anyone else who ever played piano in my whole life"

Starkeeper,

I believe this was a typo and should have read NEVER instead of EVER!

Cheers,

Gary

my mistake... i ment i never really played in a piano, i did here and there, but i have 0 knowledge/expirience regarding to that field... ill buy now the psr-3000 then maybe when ill be good enough ill wanna feel the touch of a weighted keyboard keys

Btw... I've wanted also an advice about learning, should I take a private teacher to teach me Piano basics and learn some known creations so I'll practice my hands and fingers and learn chords well and so on?

Regards

Retal,the psr 3000 you can play chords with one/two fingers of left hand and play like that quite well, if you wish to you can change the settings and play it with full chords once you learn them. Even though this is an easy keyboard there is a lot to it, it is a very good quality sounding board,and you will have a lot of fun with it, let us know when you have it. Before you buy it I would take Gary,s suggestion and go to psrtutorial.com and see for yourself the info there (a lot easier than maybe trying to understand the in depth things in the manual). There are lessons there as well as soooo much more info and help.mike
Its always a good idea to take lessons. the above site has everything you need to know and its free.

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Get a teacher, don't think twice about it. Whatever you attempt to learn on your own will take 10 times longer with 50 times more bad habits.

What do you want to play now, a piano or a keyboard? In my experience, they are not the same and a piano teacher will not teach you what a keyboard teacher will teach you.

Find a real keyboard teacher OR a real piano teacher.

Jerry

I don't know.. i actually going to buy a PSR-3000, but can it act as a piano also? (like RD-700SX without 88 keys)
i also heard that there is not much difference between piano and a keyboard playing, if you know how to play on a piano you can play on keyboard, because i heard on keyboard you needa keep your hands on the chords and on piano you needa re-press them each time...

what do u suggest? also what is keyboard teacher? all the functions i can learn by myself and the auto's




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A PSR 3000 is simply a great keyboard. I have one and I cannot recommend it too highly. You'll see comments here (from pianists generally) about the "keyboard action" - but that's just nonsense IMNSHO. The keyboard action is light - like an organ (guess what - like a Yamaha organ) and is perfectly fine. I've played organs and keyboards for approaching 35 years and can honestly say it's as good as any other keyboard I've played on.

There are plenty of people who play "piano" and believe they also play "Keyboard". Well, they can't. They play piano on a keyboard which is really not the same at all.

What do you want to play, piano or keyboard?

Jerry

with PSR-3000 i can have fun... use auto-accom.... got tonoz of styles and voices... and really have fun, with piano i can only play piano, thats why i wanted to combine th too.. ill learn also piano on a psr-3000, and later on ill buy me a RD-700SX to feel the good piano sound but will be still able to enjoy a good workstation arranger

Retal, I am curious ,how old are you? i get the impression that you are quite young. The reason i ask , there is a vast amount to learn to play the piano properly and this will take many many years, the keyboard in my opinion is far easier, if you want to learn to play music just to to have fun, ie, a home player playing lots of easy songs, there are loads of shortcuts you can learn which will save you lots of time, but if you wish to play properly then it would be wise to get a good teacher.
The 3000 will give you a lot of fun because you will not be tied to the piano sounds only, there are loads and loads of different instruments to play on it, main and layers and so gives you plenty of variety,plus the accompaniments and the pads, have you tried one out in a store?

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I'm 23 years old.. my main goal for having a keyboard is playing phil collins, genesis, pet shop boys and more artists songs... or just playing them on winamp in the comp hehe and to accompany to their music and sound.. and basically have fun with music! my second goal is enjoy a good piano playing, but not too hard, i wanna start from something and then see how it works, got tonoz of stuff to learn and start with..

and yes i saw someone playing on a store in a psr-1500/3000 i was AMAZED, he was like playing electronic, and more stuff, my mouth was open.. i really enjoyed it, yea i know piano is hard... maybe i just wanna play, the easier the better, if i can play everything with keyboard and have fun, i guess i wont need piano, but i know for example cause i saw it that a RD-700SX sound is unbelievable, and it looks also much more fun to play on a 88-note keyboard...


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Retal, there are shortcuts, if you learn ALL the chords and progressions in ONE octave, maybe C to C with your small finger anchored on C, then play music in the popular keys ,like C, F,Bb,G, there is a lot of music in these keys, it will still take you a while to play well,but will save you a lot of time, and you will have lots of fun playing without having to learn everything.

ok so where should i start? douno if there is keyboard teachers in my country, i think they only teach piano, douno... any tips to start learning from 0 how to play ?

Go to www.psrtutorial,com
click on music, click on, chord secrets, but while you are there search the whole site, there is a mountain of information, also a forum of friendly helpful people. mike

yea... thanks will do
in a week and half im gonna but the keyboard
thanks for everything

Its difficult to find a keyboard teacher. Piano teachers abound. You can play piano on the PSR300 in 'Full keyboard mode' and also use it as an arranger in 'arranger mode'. It is also possible to play the piano voice in full keyboard mode and trigger auto-accompaniment, as long as the auto-accompaniment can figure out the chord your playing by combining the left and right hand.
Playing style is different on a piano, but it doesn't hurt to learn how to play like that, or learn both.
Have fun.
Starkeeper

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Any body that can play piano and have good knowledge of music theory which normaly is the case will already be able to play the arranger.
But I dont know anybody who learned to play the arranger can automatically play the piano.

If you only play the piano you can play the arranger.

If you only play the arranger you will not be able to play the piano.

dazart, I disagree slightly...the average trained classical pianist, would have a heck of a time trying to master the arranger..Why, most seem not to be trained well in theory, and are uncomfortable playing chords or understanding the chord progressions..They usually are trained to be strong site readers and playing technics..Many do not portray the emotion that none classical students can show...

Maybe in piano mode they can get by, and I mean that literally...
Keep in mind, I am referring to the average classical trained pianist..

Your other points are valid, although, there are some of us that can play both...

okok .. so how i'm gonna learn playing in arranger all the songs i like and make some of my own (in future of course), should i take a piano teacher ?? would it improve my current-none arranger/organ skills?

it sure will -

how old are you ?

almost 23

You need to answer this question: Do you want to play a piano or an arranger?
The PSR3000 can do both, but they are played differently (see Fran's post above).
IMO, a TRUE piano player will not be able to trigger the arranger function. If the pianist some how plays a chord with a combination of left and right hand, then it will work, but this is not the way a TRUE pianist plays.
Starkeeper

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of course the simple solution is to get the PSR3000 (which I am seriously considering myself to do smaller gigs) and then an 88-note keyboard for a controller, that way you get the best of both. I trigger my Pa1X Pro with an $800 Yamaha DGX-500. Works great and I like the piano sound better!

Jeff

I'm new and have no idea how to play at all, except some things i learned in the long past to type in the keyboard to hear something..
and piano looks very crazy to me, that's why i want to start from something, that its learnable and won't take me 5 years, thats why i was thinking about getting a PSR-3000 which i assume i gonna buy next week and try to dig the ass of psrtutorial site which looks to me wonderful and great for a starter like me, and after few months, i'll see how it goes for me, playing songs of singers i like from 80's 90's, if all goes well, i guess then ill wanna learn piano and maybe then get intrument like a RD-700SX of Roland's and maybe even controll the PSR-3000 from it, if its possible even.

if there is any tips or final thoughts before im going to buy the PSR-3000 im here to hear thanks

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There are extras you can get for the board, ie, dust cover (important), stand,transportation bag, foot pedal, memory cards,headphones,books,lessons, if you are paying cash i would suggest you try and bargain for some extras ,or discounts,you have nothing to lose.
One of the important things you will find is ,the keyboard is set to flat (sound) (unless its already been adjusted in the shop)once you adjust the EQ, settings the sound of the board will sound even better, also try to have your pc and keyboard close together, if you are learning from the site we told you about it will be easier to relate to what you are learning.mike

yea im paying cash..
okay i heard i get with the PSR-3000 a SmartMedia card of 16MB, and about foot pedals, do i need them ?

No you don,t need them, they are optional extras,what is important in my opinion 1, dust cover (a polythene sheet will do), 2, stand. 3, comfortable chair, one or both of the previous adjustable height.

IMO, Retal, I would learn to play the PSR3000 in arranger mode NOT the piano. Just learn the chords of one of your favorite songs in your left hand and play the melody with your right hand. This will teach you chords and melody line. Then learn to play the chords for another song, etc.
Trying to learn piano at this point might be discouraging.
Starkeeper

I totally agree, piano lessons will kill me,
atm i douno how to read notes, use chords
best i gonna do is start learn how to play in a keyboard, chords, notes, whatever... then only god knows ..

Retal,also get a couple of fake books.

If you search on google, you will find sites that teach you how to read notes on a staff.
Starkeeper

okay thanks all
when I buy the keyboard ill send a message hehe