Anyone interested? Make a fair offer, will sell quickly. Has only been played a few times at home, really new, took it out and put it back in the box. Will Get it in the original box, manual, sheet music stand etc.

[This message has been edited by SYNTH_GUY (edited 12-28-2004).]

Want a G1000 in trade????
215-284-1328

Thanks for the offer but that isn't a fair trade.

What price are you asking?

I'm open to any reasonable offer, again it has less use than a store demo for example, still in factory box, played it a few times during the first week I got it, than put away, so it is really new. Got it as a gift from my father but I can't use it in my band. I use a triton and motif, arranger is not a live band keyboard.

PA80 no good for live band? Are the sounds not good enough? Are there critical controls missing? Is it just the look of the the thing?

Not trying to start anything, but I've got the impression from reading this forum that the latest arrangers can measure up to the Motifs and Tritons when playing with a live band. And I was planning my next acquisition on that premise.

Any thoughts anybody?

acctjm

acctjm.....just another misconseption imo....but who am I?, just a pro kb musician for 35 yrs...don't believe everything you read

Let me just say there is nothing wrong with the sounds, the PA80 sounds are great but up on stage with all the extra arranger buttons one might hit the wrong one by accident and set off accompany features. Also the built-in speakers don't look pro. Never did I say it didn't sound good, in fact I have fiddled with arrangers at local stores and the Pa80 in my opinion outshines in the sound department, very close to the Triton sounds.

Synth-guy,

I have a trailer that I hauled a forklift on I'll swap. I have scaffolding I'll swap. I have a mortar mixer a bricksax and lots of other equipment to swap. Heck I'll even throw in my oldest son Buster.
What ya say?

Brickboo, you got a deal, you can keep your son though!

I have used a PSR550 with a live band and that did happen once ... once was enough. So that is a valid point. It makes for chaos with the rhythm section. It would have been nice to able to lock the accompaniment switch to off. But I changed to a Motif 6 for other reasons. The speakers didn't worry me at all. In a band situation the audience really don't see too much of the actual keyboard itself. No-one ever mentioned the speakers to me.

We've been around this block so many times before..... Speakers, arrangers, keyfeel, pro, non-pro.. sheesh - when will it stop?

The simple truth is:

Things have changed drastically.
25 years ago everyone carried Hammonds, Rhodes, Moogs etc ....... then came the DX7, then the I3, then the psr8000 ........ad infinatum.

Today's "standard" of gear is no longer a cut and dry situation. There are many, many products that are capable of producing high quality, pro sound and in the hands of a seasoned musician - some of the choices might surprise you.
Anyone that equates cost with quality is foolish, because there is no way to determine the value till you get it on stage. I've always thought that Technics kbs were horribly overpriced, yet they have the most loyal following of satisfied buyers that I've ever seen!

Todays music market is very diverse, and there is no standard for gear. On board speakers are extremely popular with performers like myself, who play at lower volume levels very often, and can appreciate the benifit of the "in my face" monitors. I've been supporting my family with music since day one, and my "used" gear list would collapse the bandwith of this forum. Today, I satisfy 350 clients each year, and thousands of patrons with the lightest, most compact setup imaginable.

Am I using pro gear? Absolutely.
Is my kb built as sturdy as some of the so called "pro" workstations? Nope.

** BUT **

There is not ONE high end workstation in the Triton/Fantom/Motif range that can duplicate the features I use in my shows.

The arranger has become a psuedo standard for the solo entertainer, and while there are still many, many choices available - one thing ties us all together. we get good, solid backing, with up to date sounds, versitile Midi playback, and adequate mic control. All this adds up to a value that puts feet on the dance floor and money in my pocket almost every night of the year.

Those of you who are slow to accept the value and performance of the modern arranger are most likely still spliting your ca$h with 3 or more other players, coordinating outfits, dealing with personality clashes, car trouble, drinking habits, work ethics, paying agents and house contractors, etc - more power to ya!

I've been there. I know the drill, and the way I work today is everybit as legit as the work I did with my 10 piece horn band in the 70s. My trio in the 80s did not sound as full I do as a soloist.
We're ALWAYS on time, no one in the band is late, dressed poorly, drinks, smokes or hangs out with their girlfriends on breaks.


To sumarize:

aw ..... I don't need to sumarize.

Uncle Dave, let the truth be told. You are right, but there is something special about playing with a live band, if you're playing with pro musicians. It's awesome to invent up on stage right on the spot and have the crowd go nuts, how about your drummer doing a solo in between songs "can't really do that with an arranger". I do agree with everything you said, but it is a matter of personal preference. I play for crowds of 500 - 5000, I've done solo appearances for promtional purposes only, cd played and I sang, it's not the same.

Don't forget the arranger keyboard handles the "Left hand bass", "Drums", "Piano" and a "Color sound"..better than then any combination of straight workstations...Even my "old "G1000 works perfect in this situation...

If I can only have one keyboard ,it has to be an arranger,,,nothing else is so flexible..
Also concerning the use of an arranger in a band,there is no accidental surprizes if you set up a performance[Roland] or a registration[Yamaha]..for live play..you can turn off any possibilities of an accidental arrangement or drums, sounding...

You have all your mixing and volume controls right in front of you, and a quick selection of sounds at your finger tips, without disturbing your basic "band set up"...throw in the control features of an expression pedal[to control any selected part/sound], after touch and other controllers.....makes the arranger unbeatable..even without the auto stuff and SMF playback..

Drum solos?
MAN - there's a blast from my past!
Do people STILL want to hear drum solos?
I'm shocked....truley shocked.

I thought that went out with the 70s.

Uncle Dave, Yes drum solos and bass solo breakdowns never go out of style, besides if you notice the latest trend, the 70's are back in style "Retro"

both UD and synth guy are right for different reasons.

atleast for a decade-
for a (non gold or platinum selling) giging musician who wants to make more money without headache/band memeber problems--arranger is the way to go.

but for a major selling bands (big names)ofcourse witout the live band you can't sell your tickets.
you can't say that arranger sounds better than real pro musicians playing real acoustic/electric instruments in realtime.
50 fingers of well reharsed pro musicians will sound better than 10 fingers of a pro musician in general.
one man band does have it's limits(that's why it's one man band- but it pays more than "5 men band",doesnt it?).

one man band may play standard jazz without many problems to an audience of (mostly untrained ears),but can't make them scream like they do with a Zepplin riff with punching drums and realtime slappin' bass guitar.

again I'm talking about live music.no techno/trance/retriggering dance music.


so differt folks and strokes.



[This message has been edited by jamman (edited 12-25-2004).]

SYNTH_GUY, thanks for the reply, I appreciate the clarification. Also, thanks to all of the others who shared their experiences.

I realize that these concerns are very subjective, but that's why knowing what SYNTH_GUY didn't care for would help me decide if it would be a problem for me.

Merry Christmas. Gotta go check under the tree.

acctjm

This topic went off on a tangent, started with offering the Pa80 for sale, anyone interested? Maybe I'll go ebay.

Put a price on it--you never know!
DonM

Woah - I refuse to believe that anything I did when it was brand new can be considered "Retro" today .... I'm far too young to know about anything that old.
PS. Hey Santa - you forgot my 1964 1/2 Mustang convertable!

SPOT ON, UNCLE DAVE.

Now, if I can find one with a vocal harmonizer that will make even my terrible singing acceptable, I'll sack the rest of the band as well!

Quote from dear Uncle Dave!

Drum solos?
I've been there. I know the drill, and the way I work today is everybit as legit as the work I did with my 10 piece horn band in the 70s. My trio in the 80s did not sound as full I do as a soloist.

We're ALWAYS on time, no one in the band is late, dressed poorly, drinks, smokes or hangs out with their girlfriends on breaks.

MAN - there's a blast from my past!
Do people STILL want to hear drum solos?
I'm shocked....truley shocked.
I thought that went out with the 70s.
(End Quote)

Uncle Dave, isn't hanging out with the girlfriends during breaks the best part of being a musician, oh I forgot that's a blast from the past ..LOL

UD's description of what was happening in the 70's and 80's brings back memories.

Around here, about 1/3 of the good jobs are from society "snoots". A lot of the horse farm owners want traditional trio's, complete with upright bass. That's fun!

About 10% of the jobs require a group...that's by request of the client.

The arranger is always in the car. If someone dosen't show, gets pissed off and leaves...whatever...the show goes on!

Russ

I guess there is no one interested. I'm surprised, It's a really great sounding, full of features, arranger workstation.

Try posting it here: http://www.synthzone.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=29&SUBMIT=Go
Also, put a price on it. You can always get counter-offers.
DonM

There's just so many choices that are cheaper. The market for the PA80 is pretty small. Post it on eBay ...... you gotta do better than here!

I'll try ebay, thanks everyone. BTW, what is it worth, it's brand new keep in mind.

Keep in mind the warranty is probably dead once you sell it. The PSR3000 with a full warranty is like a Canary. Cheap! Cheep! Cheap!

First step is to serch eBay for another one, and see if anyone is bidding on it. Then, list yours at a price that's right with the bids people are willing to spend!
You can't advertise "brand new" - you'll need to say "LIKE new", or "showroom" condition, and a picture always helps.

You know how the saying goes, "you get what you pay for", psr3000 isn't in the same league. It's a decent board for the money but I tried one and there is no comparison in the sound department or style variations. As well as sampling etc.. dual sequencers: the list goes on.

I think the two compare quite well sonically. Since I never use samplers, I don't miss it on the 3k, but I really do think the sounds are every bit as good. Korg has some features I like better, as does the Yamaha, but they are definately in the same performance league, with the Yamaha getting the price edge.

sound dept I agree.though Yam has longer and some newer samples(sax and ac guitars)/mega voices,and better ac piano etc but overall sound quality wise it(MU 80,90,100 board) can't beat Korg PA's workstation(triton board) quality sounds .EFX wise ,Yam is more user friendly and more simu efx and EQs,again quality doesnt match PA's efx.

but Yam(3k) does win in versatility dept as an arranger for that price (pads,SMFplay and arranger interaction,more and realistic fills,more funtional VH than PA 80)(though PA has better sound and song editing).
PA's more studio/live band/occational arranger gigers KB where yam is made for full arranger gigs without deeper editing.

did you sell KORG PA80?
i am interested

dusko777@shaw.ca

let me know

I'm interested too, but you won't give me a price!

Synth Guy, You can use PA80 in 'song play' mode. It disables auto-accomp buttons still leaving both performance and program modes functional.

Shiral