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#19654 - 09/12/99 12:46 PM
Triton vs Roland XP60 and jv2080
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Registered: 09/12/99
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Loc: Sion, Valais, Switzerland
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I was a great Roland user, before I discover the Triton, I've bought last year the XP60 and the JV2080 sound module, I've bought the srjv80 expansions boards: 2 orchestral, 1 orchestral II, 2 vocals, 1 techno, 1 asia, 1 world, 1 fx, I was quite satisfied by all these sounds, but since I have the Triton, I watch my xp60 and my jv2080 with a bitter look. The Triton (I never had a Trinity) is wonderfull, so great, so incredible. Anyway, the roland's sounds are not bad, but have a lack of depth in regards of the korg sounds, I still use my Rolands, in complement of the Triton's sounds, they have a good combinations, but I rarely use my Roland alone now, because the Triton's power becames essential for me.
I wish to know your opinions if you are like me Roland/Korg users.
Regards,
Xav
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#19664 - 01/05/00 12:25 PM
Re: Triton vs Roland XP60 and jv2080
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Hey all. I just picked up my new Korg Triton this morning. Before this, I had an xp-60 for most of a month.
I paid 1850.oo US NEW for the 61 key Triton, and could have gotten a Tirton Pro for 2200. US.
Let me tell you, they do not even compare sonically.
The roland does indeed have a nice piano, but the rest of the Roland really stinks compared to the Triton. The sounds on the Triton are just so much more useable. And dont forget, you can always SAMPLE your favorite piano on the Korg. Its just a vastly superior machine.
Heres an example on the strings. The xp-60 strings(same as all the other xp's and 1080 amd 2080) tend to melt together, and be a bit sluggish. On the Triton's strings, you can hear the bow cutting against the strings of the instrument. The strings on the Triton cut and bite and dive, which is how strings should be . I hate synth saxes, but the Tritons is the best I have ever heard. Onboard drums? Absolutely no comparison. As for the rock organs, Korg wins out as well. The xp/Jv has a really nice pipe organ, but thats the only one that beats the Korg organs.
The effects are not even close. NOt to mention I can upgrade my Triton with the MOSS physical analogue modelling synth card, and have one of the hottest synths out there, possibly the best digital synth programming outside of the kurzweil VAST system.
The xp-60 sounded dated and cheesy to me as well. Alot of the sounds were pretty useless, and alot of the sounds seemed like they should belong on a 500$ casio keyboard.
Dont forget, even if and when the Triton is superceeded, it's sampler makes it very up to date. It will never die.
It is, IMHO, the greatest synth I have yet tried(so far).
The thing with Roland is that they are still utilizing old technology from the 80's. My old roland d-10 sounds very much like the xp-60 I had. In my opinion, the Roland d-10 I had was a better sounding synth than the 60, and it did not have a decay grunge issue.
I can upgrade my sample ram to 64, pop in some sound boards, add on a SSCi drive for a hard drive or zip drive, I can route a voice (or any other instrument) through the incredible effects section, I can use the built in vocoder, and I can pop in the MOSS card.
This machine is a beast. After having the xp-60 and taking it back just recently, and now having this Triton in my room, I can honestly say this is the better machine by a LONG shot.
My only complaints so far are that the keys are a bit noisy and rumbly.
I love my new Triton!
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#19665 - 01/05/00 09:38 PM
Re: Triton vs Roland XP60 and jv2080
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Registered: 12/16/99
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Loc: Australia
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Arvon45= I'm glad that you are happy with the Triton- Yes it is an awesome silver beast! If I had to choose between the XP and the Triton I would definately get the Triton because it is easier to use and has the extra features such as sampling, AD inputs, vocoder and better effects.
However, I still like the sound of the Roland XP/JV range. They sound different to the Korgs and compliment the Triton/Trinity sounds nicely.
I myself will be getting a JV2080 when I can afford it (ie- when their price goes down!). As far as I am concened, a Triton plus a JV2080 (both fully expanded of course) would cover all my sounds in a pinch if I was only allowed to hold on to those 2 instruments. And also I'd add the new Korg D16 hard disk recorder with SCSI CD burner, Mackie or Event poweverd monitors, a nice mic or 2 and a nice sounding mic channel. MY IDEAL PORTABLE STUDIO TO TAKE ANYWHERE!!!!
Regarding piano sounds, I don't like any stock/factory piano sounds in any synthe period! However, the piano expansion board, whilst still not good enough to replace a real steinway, improves on the crappy factory sound a hell of a lot. In the XP60, the piano on the Session expansion board is very nice also. And of course, there is alwasy the sampler in the Triton!!!!
If you want to get into serious sampling on the Triton, remeber to budget for the SCSI interface and some sort of external hard drive for storage- you'll run out of space and patience with all the floppies lying around! Regards.
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#19669 - 02/01/00 02:40 PM
Re: Triton vs Roland XP60 and jv2080
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Registered: 12/29/99
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I find the Triton to be an impressive workstation, but, more specifically, very initially impressive and less and less impressive the more I learn about it and use it. If the XP-80 had a sampler, I'm sure I'd prefer it to the Triton. I like the Expansion Board sounds, keyboard, sequencer, value dial/wheel, omnipresent 16 track buttons, waveforms, filters, outcome of sound editing, and disk drive of the XP80 better than that which compares to those things on the Triton. I like the Triton's Touch Screen (makes OS navigation incredibly intuitive), but I still seem to have to scroll through as many menus/screens as I do on my XP80 to get to where I want to be. I can push a button just as easily as I can a screen. I do like the realtime controllers on the Triton better (mainly because there are RTCs for the arpeggiator and because most RTCs are knobs instead of sliders) as I do the effects (although I'm quite happy with the XP80 effects - quality moreso than routing). Also, as a standalone workstation, having SCSI capability, sampling, and the MOSS upgrade option make the Triton very appealing.
I have not decided if I will return the Triton or not yet (I have until this weekend). When I weigh what else I could buy for $2800 (=61 key Triton with SCSI and MOSS board) - like an XP-30 + Yamaha A3000 + Waldorf Microwave XT...or used XP60 + Yamaha A3000 + Nord Micromodular or Waldorf Microwave II - returning it seems like more of a reality...
Korgasm's complaints re: the Triton above are pretty much my exact complaints and it is very good that most of these are addressable by OS upgrades (need time-stretch, crossfade looping, and one-touch UNDO/REDO function pronto!). One other question I have has to do with sampling: when I sample an audio signal, the resulting sample is not velocity-sensitive when played on the keyboard...is there some setting I can change to make this so? This is my first real sit-down with a sampler (and even I can see why crossfade looping and time-stretch are so essential) and my endless searching through the manuals has shown me nothing to correct this. I guess I could sample the same sound at different (vol.) levels and create a combination that would play the layered sound (levels) according to keystroke velocity, but I feel like there should be a way for a multisample-turned-into-program to be velocity sensitive. I had brief exposure to Kurzweil sampling and, if I remember correctly, some kind of velocity map was applied to the samples automatically. Anyone know if the Triton can do like the Kurzweils? If so, please share! Thanks!
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#19671 - 02/01/00 08:37 PM
Re: Triton vs Roland XP60 and jv2080
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Thanks for the input, but I need specifics. I figured setting up a velocity map would be done either in sample mode or in program mode, but I can't figure out how to do it (using the manual). I'll probably start a new topic and ask the question. Surely some Triton owners have been sampling like crazy and can give me some details. I did a few hours of sequencing on the Triton tonight and I do enjoy the sequencer (but I can't stand that it doesn't have a one-touch undo function, a "rehearsal" mode [although it may and I have not discovered it], and a key-triggered start to recording [what Roland calls "Wait Note"]). It definitely is a cool workstation, but I like the EXPANSION BOARD sounds of the XP synths FAR better (a matter of personal taste, eh?). Anyway, thanks again for your input, Arvon45.
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#19672 - 02/01/00 09:29 PM
Re: Triton vs Roland XP60 and jv2080
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Arvon45: I'll give what input I can re: your question about having the sample sound across the entire keyboard.
There are a few ways to accomplish this, the way I understand things. First of all, in you wanted to have the original sample played at the root key of C2 (lowest key on 61 key Triton) and the rest of the sample automatically transposed up the remaining 60 keys (although you can actually do it for up to 88 keys), you'd do this:
Enter SAMPLING...make sure you select a new MultiSample (at top) and new Sample (1/4 of way down screen) first...in the Recording Tab, select Orig. Key as C2 and Top Key as C7...then, go to the Preference Tab (3rd tab) and set the Zone Range to 61 keys. Go back to the Recording tab and sample away. The sample will play across the entire kb.
Alternatively, say you wanted to your multisample to sound better, so you decide to sample an original note every octave. Then, you'd have to record 5 (for 60 keys) separate samples and link them all to form your multisample. Here's how:
Enter SAMPLING. Set new MS and Sample. In Recording tab, set Orig key as C2 and top key as B2. In Pref tab, set Zone Range to 12 keys. In Recording tab, tap the Index number five times to get 001...005/005. Then, set the xxx/005 to 001/005. Record your sample and it will sound across the first octave of your keyboard. To sample the second octave: select a new SAMPLE (not multisample), select 002/005 and sample away. Just keep selecting a new sample each time and go until Index 005/005 is sampled. Of course, remember to sample C3 when the root key of the sample is designated as C3 (etc.)! Hope this is what you were looking for...
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#19678 - 02/03/00 03:44 PM
Re: Triton vs Roland XP60 and jv2080
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Interesting observations...It is difficult to "explain" why one prefers Roland or Korg sounds over the other, but the "naturalness of sound" theory may explain part of it! I was initially impressed by Triton's sounds, but after having played/heard them for several hours a day for the past month, I just don't like them as much as I do the Roland sounds, esp. those on the expansion boards. Specifically, the Korg strings sounds whistle too much, almost sound "windy", and are not enjoyable to play. Also, I love the Korg Pan Flute, but the sample on the Triton is noisy and "grungy" (with that same whistling noise), unlike on my M1R, which I had hoped to be able to sell now that I have the Triton. I enjoy writing and recording music and think sampling and "synthesizing" / editing sounds is a blast, but I also enjoy just playing and practicing using the presets and I get no pleasure from playing the Triton (plus I don't really like the keyboard feel/action).
I like the Triton for so many other reasons, especially for ease of use (namely in sampling), but I'm not "$2200 plus tax"-impressed, so I'll (kind of sadly) return it to the store.
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#19679 - 02/04/00 03:38 AM
Re: Triton vs Roland XP60 and jv2080
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Wilkes.....
I had the xp-60 for a month before I returned it and got the triton. I compared both synths also side by side at the store. To me, the Roland had a much better Church Organ, but that was it. Im talking that monster church pipes patch. The TRITONS sounded pretty weak compared to the ROlands. As for the synth sounds.......the TRITON SOUNDS MUCH, MUCH better. I use my TRITON for Prog-rock, techno, and some alt country, and to me it sounds much more natural than the Roland. My sequences also sound much better.
Lets not forget people....I buy my synths to USE them as synths, I dont buy them to pretend to be an orchestra or something else. I consider them instrumetns of themselves, through sound shaping, ect. I usually dont bother with drum tracks, flutes, ect.
So when I hear someone say " THe roland sounds better because it imitates real instruments better", I don't care.
I want something that sounds like a synth, not my old 5th grade music class.
Think about that the next time you buy.......
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#19681 - 02/04/00 08:00 AM
Re: Triton vs Roland XP60 and jv2080
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Yes, "taste" is the key to this whole issue (the "natural vs. processed" issue was the first attempt to perhaps explain why such timbral taste varies from one to another).
Arvon45: I understand what you are saying and it seems that the Triton fits your composition/synthesis/performance style and desires perfectly. I consider all that you mentioned when I purchase a synth as well. In fact, although I enjoy many genres of music, when well done, my absolute favorite is synth-pop (e.g., Erasure; I don't care for most of the harder, "cooler"/trendier techno stuff [Orbital, etc.]) and I like to write and record such music very much. But, when I want to emulate (for my own performing pleasure) something written/orchestrated for strings, brass, etc., I want those sounds to be as realistic as possible. I think it is fantastic that technology allows me, a keyboardist only, to play such orchestral arrangements when I cannot play a cello or french horn. Oh, and when it comes to synthesis, I'll take what I already have (K2000, FS1R, and Pulse).
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