Squeak

Maybe it's me or I'm not working right with the guitar arps, but I don't find them to be all that realistic, vs my own playing. Too stiff and quantized, just like a style. Maybe hidden in a mix, or over a few bars in a song, they would sound convincing, but I'm not overly impressed. I think the pale in comparison to the phrases in Virtual Guitarist ( I've played both ), and even those aren't quite like a real guitar, but much closer in a mix.

The problem with playing the sounds myself is that it's hard to replicate in real time what the arps can do with the mega technology, so yes the notes sound like the are played live but the scrapes and slides and other articulations aren't there. I'd love to hear something that makes me feel different about this. Maybe someone could demonstrate it for me ?

AJ

[This message has been edited by Bluezplayer (edited 08-28-2006).]

AJ,
I'm with you on that. Nothing to me will replace my live guitar playing, but the arps are nice to have at times. Yes (like the styles) they can at times seem over quantized too.

I like using them every so often when I don't feel like creating my songs, then dropping the tracks down to my Fostex to then add live guitar. The arps aren't the most realistic, but are very passable in my opinion, and if used for backing can fill the void.

Squeak

Agreed. Now the synth arps .. that's another whole story. I think they are outstanding, and very useable, especially when I use them with the AN150 plug in board.

The T2 is sorely lacking on electronica and modern synth type loops and sounds, but I kinda knew this going in. I'll probably make some electronica pads and sounds for it, but I'm not going to waste a ton of time on this, because I won't use that much of it during live play. Here ( and a few other places ) is where softsynths still rule my musical world.

My PA80, OTOH, has synth sounds that even my ES ( minus the AN plug in ) doesn't compare to. Not in soundscape or combo type stuff.. the ES is clearly superior there, but in the more "meat and potatoes" analog simulation sounds. It just has "fatter" sounds I guess. The bummer is that the multipads are very limited and are not user programmable.

AJ


[This message has been edited by Bluezplayer (edited 08-28-2006).]

Hello AJ and Squeak
Have you tried Real Guitar at all, http://www.musiclab.com/products/realgtr_info.htm as to me it sounds really good. (Although I am not a Guitar Player)

Bill

Hi Bill,

Yes, I have Real Guitar. In part it works in a way similar to the articulation voices on the Tyros2. The differences are..

Real Guitar offers a lot of controls to adjust the articulations, and it also has different modes including using premade patterns ( ala Rythym n Chords, another Musiclab offering ) and one where you make a chord, like on an arranger but with your right hand instead, and then play different articulations by pressing different notes to the left of the the split. Articulation include strum up / down ( strum times are adjustable ) slurs, etc.

Real Guitar definitely can sound closer to a real acoustic guitar than anything else I've heard. On the down side, there are no elctric guitar sounds ( yet ). Although the T2 doesn't "articulate" as well as RG does, there is more variety available in patch sounds. I like both. T2 isn't as realistic, but on some of the AC guitars the tones are more pleasing to me.

AJ

Yeah I've checked it out, and looked at the video demos, and man that software is impressive. I especially liked the blues video and the video doing Claptons song.

I've got a B-Day coming up very soon, and I've hinted to the wife my want for this software

Squeak

It's worth the money spent Squeak. I'm looking forward to an electric edition. Other software modules that I have which include similiar type of articulations are Edirol's Super Quartet and Plugsound's Fretted edition. These work more like the T2, in that the articulations are not editable.

There are supposed to be some better sample sets ( ones that you would use in kontakt for instance ) that are even better. They aren't cheap, but my main reason for not trying them to this point is my worry about the amount of HD space and Ram needed to work them.

Im coming. I've always belived synths are poweful, my master I'm halfway there. Tomorrow I am speaking with the local dealer about the possibilities to import the keyboard.


My sister didnt eveн know that the keys of the acoustic piano are graded. I don't really care for graded keys as long as I am able to play expressively.

I'd like to ask you few more questions re the Mo8. I'll send you a private email.

Thanks for your support.

George

what about yamaha PSR's PADs, those are apegiators(they're even stay in sync with the tempo all the time) Now even psr-E403 has an arpegiator, and its really named "Arpegiator" except that its not as flexible as Synth's(doesn't have latch, gate, etc ...)

Vadim,
Yes those are bascially arpeggiated phrases as well. They however lack the features one would find within a true "arpeggiator feature" found on the synths.

The E403 is now the exception in my opinion. It's the only PSR that I know of that at least has some basic ones. The only other (Yamaha) arranger I can remember having these were the Yamaha DJX series, and they too were very limited.

Hell the Casio MZ-2000 even had a few--although they too were limited, but Casio did it with their flagship arranger years ago.

Squeak