SYNTH ZONE
Visit The Bar For Casual Discussion
Page 3 of 3 < 1 2 3
Topic Options
#197564 - 05/14/03 12:59 PM Re: To all "Live" Laptop users
Fran Carango Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Starkeeper, that is exactly how I use the B4 with my G1000. I route the realtime parts that play the B4 to a seperate output[that is not connected to anything, making a deadend]. Then I can play the arranger as normal, and also a SMF and still be able to play the B4..This way allows me to select the organ patches on the B4, via program change using the"deadend" realtime part, controling the B4..
_________________________
www.francarango.com



Top
#197565 - 05/14/03 01:26 PM Re: To all "Live" Laptop users
Starkeeper Offline
Member

Registered: 09/16/02
Posts: 1704
Loc: Toronto
The Pro and Fran,
Thanks for all this great information.
Starkeeper
_________________________
I play Roland EM20 and Yamaha PSR550

Top
#197566 - 05/14/03 02:03 PM Re: To all "Live" Laptop users
The Pro Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 07/09/02
Posts: 1087
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Pro, my Laptop runs with out any glitches under a load[other applications] at 15ms, I could try an even lower latency and gamble on a pulse or hic up, but why? Not even yourself can tell the difference between 2.2 and 15ms..It is plenty fast..BTW, that must be some sound card that you are using, my B4 shows intervals of 5ms, the lowest at 10ms, the highest is 400ms...Yours is so accurate that it shows decimals[2.2ms]..Of course ASIO is the best drivers , but all applications will not work with it, that is why the Direct drivers are a good choice overall and beside, they work..



I think you missed my point: I got down to 2.2 ms with B4 using a beta-version of a new generic ASIO driver that will work with ANY WDM soundcard and Windows 2000/XP. In this case, I did this with my laptop which has a very basic SigmaTel audio chip. The point here is that once this generic ASIO program (ASIO2KS) is fully released it should be possible to get ultra-low latency with nearly any soundcard. So when I load up B4 as a VSTi with a program (I tested it with Acid) then I get closer to 10-15ms, without any noise artifacts. Same with Reason: I can get 8.7ms latency when playing one of Reason's softsynths alone but once I play a softsynth over pre-sequenced tracks then I get closer to 20ms. ASIO2KS is what displays it's latency in decimals.

The point isn't to get >2ms latency with a softsynth alone but >20ms when working with a fully loaded softsynth studios like Reason. Especially without paying an arm and a leg for an expensive audio card, or in my case on my laptop.

[This message has been edited by The Pro (edited 05-14-2003).]
_________________________
Jim Eshleman

Top
#197567 - 05/14/03 02:23 PM Re: To all "Live" Laptop users
Starkeeper Offline
Member

Registered: 09/16/02
Posts: 1704
Loc: Toronto
I don't think this would work on my PSR550. I could probably send the melody channel to the MIDI out, but would not be able to send the real time output to another output, because there is only one output on the PSR550. I guess the real time part wud play along with the backing and the B4 would play also.
Arrrr.
Starkeeper
_________________________
I play Roland EM20 and Yamaha PSR550

Top
#197568 - 05/14/03 02:25 PM Re: To all "Live" Laptop users
Fran Carango Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Pro, so in essence, it sounds like we are getting the same results..
_________________________
www.francarango.com



Top
#197569 - 05/14/03 02:37 PM Re: To all "Live" Laptop users
The Pro Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 07/09/02
Posts: 1087
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
Quote:
Originally posted by Fran Carango:
Pro, so in essence, it sounds like we are getting the same results..


Yup, if you can run a fully-loaded synth studio program on your laptop and still get 15ms of latency, that's quite good. I couldn't do that without ASKIO2KS... and the potential to do this with any soundcard and this program is very promising. Still - playing with 2.2ms of latency is great for bragging rights... I think that's faster than going from a midi controller to a midi sound module, which produces 5ms of delay I think...

[This message has been edited by The Pro (edited 05-14-2003).]
_________________________
Jim Eshleman

Top
#197570 - 05/14/03 06:12 PM Re: To all "Live" Laptop users
Fran Carango Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
Pro. I have ASIO 2.0[update from Digigram], is this the same driver you are referencing as a Beta version? If so, could it now have been released?
_________________________
www.francarango.com



Top
#197571 - 05/15/03 09:35 AM Re: To all "Live" Laptop users
The Pro Offline
Senior Member

Registered: 07/09/02
Posts: 1087
Loc: Atlanta, Georgia
Fran: No, what I'm doing has nothing to do with ASIO 2.0. Here's more info about the ASIO beta program I am trying out:
http://www.asio2ks.de/
_________________________
Jim Eshleman

Top
Page 3 of 3 < 1 2 3

Moderator:  Admin, Diki, Kerry 



Help keep Synth Zone Online