i love the built-in speakers of my PSR2000.
If I get the Tyros2 speakers, can they be used WITHOUT the sub?

I don't mind the taking the two small speakers on gigs, but the sub is a real pain...

If yes, how does it sound?
I don't need great bass response, as there will be a main PA producing that.

Not a good Idea.....the sub is essential & if I can remember when I had a T2 you cannot use the satellites without the sub. They all connect together 3pc set ....

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I looked at a pdf of the user manual. It seems that there is a right speaker out, left speaker out, and a seperate din output for the sub. This would imply that it can work without the sub, and that the Tyros 2 provides amplification for the two sattelites.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
I am sure it will sound horrible by themselves. But remember that I will have a lot of bass from the main PA. Bass is omnidirectional...the main purpose for personal monitors is for the highs.

Spend your money on a pair of good powered speakers...preferably ones that perform well without a sub and are easy to put on stands.

The type of venues you play will dictate the power rating.

Many of the members here can suggest various brands and their pros and cons.

Ian



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I do small to medium size venues.
I use two JBL EON 1500 speakers with a power amp.

I am satisfied with the performance as a PA.

But the speakers are facing the audience, not me. The built in speakers of the PSR2000 allowed me the luxury of personal "in my face" monitors without any extra equipment.

I am looking to make a possible upgrade to a Tyros 2 as painless as possible. Schlepping a powered speaker as a monitor is not an option for me.

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The AMP is in the sub.

I wouldn't recommend the speakers that come with the Tyros2...they aren't that good as far as I'm concerned and I work for the company.

Ian



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Put your powered mains Directly to the right & left side of your ears 6-7 feet to each side....no need for a monitor.

Aha, I see.
That's why they need the din cable instead of a standard line out for the sub.

Scratch that idea then.

Not sure what you mean. I usually have the speakers 30 feet apart to fill up the room. And they definitely must be facing the audience. Actual position varies by venue. At best the EONs are parallel to me, often slightly in front. Without a personal sound source, I can't hear myself properly. Believe me, I've tried.

Good luck to you .....your gonna need monitors in that case.....get a Rock N Roller kart to carry all that gear.....
http://www.rocknrollercart.com/

Already have one for three years. Already had a flat once. Took it to a bicycle shop and got it fixed for $15. The tube was shot but the guy found an identical tube from a scrap handtruck he had there.

OK, on to my next brainstorm.
Anybody have any experience mounting computer speakers to the Tyros2?

In an entire different direction, I had been toying with the idea of the Bose PAS for a while. A guess a PAS would kill two birds with one stone. (Actually three birds if my wallet is counted).

I think headphones would look two geeky...
Perhaps a stereo bluetooth headset would look better. I'm so undecided. I don't want to plunk down the cash for the Tyros2 until I have this worked out.

Thanks for the input. Much appreciated.

I had the Tyros speakers. Couldn't get rid of them fast enough. The Logitech system is less expensive and far better.
I also tried earbuds for monitors. They are next to invisible.
The best solution is the Bose L1 system. Try it for 45 days. You'll never regret it.
DonM

I've been using a neat little Rowland powered monitor...mounts on a mike stand...is LOUD and weighs about 7 lb. All mail order houses have them for $175.00.


Russ

just as an alternative suggestion why not use a pair of the shure in-ear monitors? they will give you excellent sound and connect the same as on an ipod/mp3/cd player, in the headphones output ...i am guessing they start at about US $70(out here they are about $110) for the EC-3 model, they have better quality more expensive ones too!!)...as they are in ear, they are very small and hardly noticeable...anyhoo just a thought.
cheers
dennis

Gabe, why not use your main PA[JBL's], slightly behind you, so you can hear what the room hears..I have done this for 25 years..I prefer hearing what the audience hears..In my band we use the PA out front as you do, and use monitors..It is much harder to know what the room hears that way..

One other observation, you mentioned you have your speakers 30 feet apart..that is far if you are running stereo, My guess is you are not,,Are you in mono? Unless you are talking about a large room [300 people]..

For small and medium size rooms, I now have a Traynor K4 stereo amp that stays behind me..I can hear great as well as knowing what the audience is hearing..

I am usually doing parties like engagements and Bar Mitzvahs. In most cases I don't have the luxury of a stage which would allow me to put the speakers behind. I most often find myself sitting against a wall with the speakers to my sides. Whether or not I run in stereo varies from venue to venue.

I am seriously considering the Bose PAS. I currently find myself with adequate, but not extra power from the EONs. I hope the PAS would give me at least the same amount of power (in its own way, of course).

The Bose L1 will fill a football field with the same clarity at each end of the goal lines! Some users with reduced hearing, or more "youthful" perceptions of what the "correct" ammount of bass is, find the Bose to be a little light in the bass response. Many disagree.
I find that it comepletely satisfyies the broadest range of audiences, fills EVERY little corner of every room I play in, and sets up fast, looks amazing, and takes up far less room than anything in it's class. Actually, because of the very nature of it's performance - there is NOTHING in it's class. It's a newer, better approach to live sound reinforcement.

My only recommendation is this:
If your audience is 25 and under, you may want to augment the bass section, because that age group is used to obscene ammounts of bass that rattle walls and craniums. I prefer a more balanced sound, but hey - KIDS ! What can ya do?

The L1 makes a beautiful, balanced sound, but some kids just can't dance unless their stomachs are rumbling. Go figure. I can't dance, so I don't understand the concept, but I've played for dancers since 1969 - and this system packs the floor more than any I've ever owned.