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#20024 - 01/09/01 12:05 PM
Re: To Triton or not
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Registered: 01/25/99
Posts: 149
Loc: Port Moody, BC, Canada
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Hi EdB,
You're right. The Triton is not crap. However, it may not be the keyboard to fill the shoes you need it to fill. It will not get you the best sounding orchestral type sounds (and you've already figured the piano out too). You may be happy enough with the lead and organ sounds though.
Personally, I find the Kurz piano a little bit overrated (but for a sample playback piano it is good).
I don't really like sampled organ myself so I don't think that your manager's suggestion will fit the entire bill either. You may want to look at other alternatives possibly. Maybe you can scale back on the E-mu a bit and on the Triton. If you really like the Triton (although it is more geared towards the dance/synth crowd) maybe you can get the rack version, the PC-88 and get the E5000 Ultra instead.
This should put you roughly around the same mark as the PC-88 and E4XT Ultra. Well, actually a bit more expensive but should fit all of your needs. Don't forget that you need to budget for sample CD Roms as well. You will not get an excellent orchestral sample set included with any sampler. Most run around about $1000 US or more for just the CD's alone. There is also RAM to consider.
To fit the bill for the time being until your CD makes it big and you can afford all of the goodies, maybe you can scale back a little. Get a PC-88 and then one or two of the Proteus modules (like the Virtuoso and B-3 modules). If you have enough cash, go for the Triton rack as well. You can avoid buying a bunch of sample CD's now, still have some decent sounds and take it from there.
A Triton alone will not do it for you and I wonder if it is worth the $3k for you, given your situation.
HTH, Fernando
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#20026 - 01/10/01 10:07 AM
Re: To Triton or not
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Registered: 12/08/99
Posts: 272
Loc: USA
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\\It will not get you the best sounding orchestral type sounds \\
I have to disagree. It's orchestral sounds are amazing in my opinion, especially the brass and strings. The strings are easily the best I have heard on any synth.
The Triton is absolutely amazing for film scoring.
\\If you really like the Triton (although it is more geared towards the dance/synth crowd)\\
I have to point out this is in error. While the Triton does have great synth sounds and a dual arpegiator, it has amazing brass, flute, and strings. I cant say enough how great the Triton strings are.
As for the sampling, the Triton sampler is good, but right now is limited in that it only reads raw sample data from akai programs, so you have to program attack, decay, velocity switching, ect.
The triton sampler right now is great if you dont mind doing your own programming for piano, synth, string type of stuff.
Korg is releasing O.S. 3.0 for Triton this March which is supposed to improve the Triton akai reading ability.
The Triton is a great unit. But right now it is slightly short on the sampler side compared to say an EMU. The EMU will read the akai samples full data and allow layering, so the samples sound ready to go as soon as you load them. The new O.S. for the Triton will have this.
Clearly, the best choice for you would be to grab a Triton rack, an EMU sampler( which is always nice to have) and a controller keyboard. Should run ayou around 4$.
The thing to remember tho is that you can get MOSS for Triton, and KOrg is planning a very cool orchestral board in March. The Studio essential board for Triton also has some amazing orchestral sounds.
I'll say it again-
The Triton strings are the best in the business, period.
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#20029 - 01/11/01 12:19 PM
Re: To Triton or not
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Registered: 01/25/99
Posts: 149
Loc: Port Moody, BC, Canada
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Arvon45 wrote, > The Triton strings are the best in the > business, period.
Are they better than an E4XT Ultra loaded up with, say the Kirk Hunter Virtuoso Strings, Miroslav Vitous Strings, or Advanced Orch. Strings?
I have to disagree with you. Maybe the Triton strings kill most of the other synths out there (I don't know). However, I was offering advice based on what Ed wants to do. He said that he will be "doing lots of Orchestrial type stuff". For me that means, he needs realistic orchestral sounds. Strings aren't the only thing in an orchestra.
I am very familiar with the Triton (and the Trinity). I am not trying to dis these keyboards or make them out to be less than they are. I even suggested that maybe he looks at the Triton rack instead of the keyboard.
I personally don't think that the Triton will satisfy him if he needs lots of high quality Orchestral sounds. It has many great sounds on it. While its strings and such are good, I stand by my earlier recommendation that I think that he may be better off with something else either instead of or as well as.
Also, I find that the Triton and Trinity boards are great for cutting through. I personally like the warmth of an Emu E4 Ultra for such things as orchestral mixes. Maybe we'll agree to disagree.
Regards, Fernando
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#20039 - 02/10/01 03:19 AM
Re: To Triton or not
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Registered: 04/30/99
Posts: 16
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>Hey all, >I was given a shopping list from my band's >manager saying to get a Kurzwiel PC88 and a >Emu E4XT Ultra. We will be doing lots of >Orchestrial type stuff with the sampler for >our bands CD.
Clearly, your manager don`t have a clue. He`s probably impressed by the big names of kurzweil and emu. Ask him what samplers are used to make movie/television music? answer: the old roland s-760!
In my opinion, the pc88 is shit. Everything that the pc88 does is well covered with the triton. The emu sampler is a better sampler than the triton, with better soundware support, but this depends on your needs.
>The bottom line is this gear is being used >on our bands CD and it has to be the best >sounding but on the other hand I'm buying >the gear with my own $$.
So its your money, and you who play the gear, yet your manager "decides" what gear to get ??
>I myself am looking for good lead, organ, >piano, strings tones. The music is prog >metal / classical there is no need for >loops and or any DJ type stuff.
The triton have perhaps the best hammond simulations done in a synth (not even the e4xt can touch these). However, for really good hammond, you should get a Voce or Hammond-Suzuki rack/keyboard.
Triton have good lead sounds, esp with the moss board.
>Would sampled Piano tones be good enough to >use for a CD recording and everyday tone >useage?
All piano tones are sampled (except real pianos)
>Seeing that I dont need looping and all the >other stuff on most Samplers, are those >features a must for a newbie to samplers?
Thats the way samplers work
>Can I layer Samples on the Triton, if so >how many? Can this be done better on the >Emu?
The triton can layer upto 16 samples (combi mode) or 32samples(sequence mode).
>Should the Triton even be considered for >purchase vs a Kurz/Emu combo?
Yes, esp if you want lots of good sounds right out of the board without lots of programming and load-time.
It sounds to me as if you want the best sounds, but haven done very much programming/sampling before? I believe that the e4xt would be overkill for a newbie to sampling. The emu e-5000 offers the same basic fatures, the same sound, and loads the same soundlibraries at a much lower price.
Perhaps Triton + emu e-5000? If you have any extra buck to spare, throw in the pcm01 exp board (better pianos, hammond, rhodes, wurlitzer, hohner clavinet), exb-moss (analog synth, brass/wind/strings with some possibilities that no sampler has)
best regards Knut Inge
btw, check out my triton site: http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~knutinh/tritonhardware/index.htm
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#20042 - 02/27/01 10:07 PM
Re: To Triton or not
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Hi folk ,i'm new to the neighbourhood.I'm a Triton owner myself,infact i have one of the only two on my island in the West Indies.......it's a monster.I love the warm big sounds,ease of use and must say,it's very user friendly......all for a deccent price. Haven't had the chance to get any of the PCM cards in as yet,but i'm still waiting for the rumoured orchestral card (keyboard magazine 01-01).It's just super,i've done a bit of scoring with it already,and the producer loved it.........it's what you do with the gear,not how much you have.B.T.W......the strings are very good out of the box,not as many articulations as i may like,but then again...........it's called a synth right?
------------------ A Wuz here
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