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#200587 - 08/14/06 05:28 PM
Re: Faking Performance
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Originally posted by Scottyee: I've basically STOPPED 'playing along' with midi files all together, except for only a very FEW songs.
Nothing BEATS playing 100% LIVE in 'arranger mode' because it offers MUCH more excitement & energy when you're playing (the KB with BOTH hands), singing, and triggering multi pad riffs, fills, and instrument setups 'on the fly'. I find that 'playing along' to a midi file really "LOCKS me in a BOX"; while playing in full arranger mode allows me to be much more spontaneously creative: triggering 'on the fly' key modulation, tempo changes, variation changes, chord substitions, adding additional chorus', etc, etc, etc. All these skills (to me) separate a talented arranger keyboard performer from a karaoke singer who performs with backup tapes, or someone who 'plays along' with a pre-sequenced midi file. I don't want to knock these other performance alternatives, but since this is an 'arranger' keyboard forum, I hope to PROMOTE arranger keyboard 'PLAYING' to the fullest! Being able to play an arranger keyboard is one thing, but to fully utilize its potential in a live interactive manner takes special skill that 'sets it apart' from all other forms of music performance. I hope we all continue to work on furthering our unique arranger playing skills, which in turn will raise the level of respect we get from our fellow traditional musicians, as well as the listening public. - Scott ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/smile.gif) My sentiments exactly. I've mentioned this before but FWIW, I use about 6 midi files out of 120 or so songs in our repertoire.
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#200588 - 08/14/06 07:06 PM
Re: Faking Performance
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I agree with Uncle Dave's posts more than I thought I could ever possibly agree with anyone!
In my duo I work almost entirely with midi-files.
I don't feel bad about that, because they are either programmed by me (either in total or in part), or I have scoured all the internet - (general sites, or exclusive midi-forums) and METICULOUSLY tweaked them, part by part, effect by effect, note by note if need be, to sound EXACTLY like the popular recorded version. I then wipe all keyboard parts I can play myself, and then play and sing the hell out of the song. As UD says, we have to also continuously scan the ever changing mood of the crowd and keep them on the floor with such a diverse range of genres it's ridiculous.
And crack gags whenever we can!
Sometimes I grab a tambourine or other light percussion (I'm a formally trained drummer as well) and go to town with a great rhythm and lead vocal "frontman performance".
My wife either sings harmony, plays electric guitar (with a cosm amp - changing sounds as style dictates) or then takes over lead vocals (she's a MUCH better singer than me).
We do this almost entirely to Midi backing like I said (occasionally I use the arranger for Old Time Dancing).
We are continually in demand. We are professionals (no day jobs). We don't feel like cheats.
Uncle Dave rock on!
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#200590 - 08/14/06 08:16 PM
Re: Faking Performance
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Playing Live is the Best(i mean, when you have a drummer, bassist, guitaris,t etc) But playing live on the arranger is not that Live,(only the right hand) because what you'r doing pretty much is just "inputing" chords, to a music style that wasn't made by you. I used to think that its better to play with style and that its the right way, but not any more, there are people sweating hours to make a backing track( a god one) or a midi file, and people can say: Ah, Its not live, everyone can play live, paly for beginning to the end and your done. But try to record a midi file, not everyone can do it, beacuse not too many people try hard enough. But Faking playing to someone alses work is the worse, it should be illegal.
[This message has been edited by Vadim (edited 08-14-2006).]
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#200591 - 08/14/06 10:08 PM
Re: Faking Performance
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vadim: [B]Playing Live is the Best(i mean, when you have a drummer, bassist, guitaris,t etc) But playing live on the arranger is not that Live,(only the right hand) because what you'r doing pretty much is just "inputing" chords, to a music style that wasn't made by you.
When I play an arranger keyboard I have two hand that are playing live not one, just like the organ players do.
“Faking a performance” – That’s a bit hard. I would like to keep the subject in three categories; 1-Playing music 2-Entertaining for $$$ 3-The fakers.
2-Entertaining for $$$; If you are getting paid you do whatever you must do to do the job. When I had my music store I sold a lot of accordions, made good money. When accordions started to fade out it took me a while to wake up and get into the guitar phase. You must go with the flow or you lose. Loyalty or being a purist does not pay the bills.
1-Playing music; This is the part I love, it’s the reason I got into the music business. I love to play as live as it is possible and still keep like a full sounding group. I try and duplicate what I had when I had my own band.
3-The fakers; Well if they have any talent they’ll never know.
IMHO, John C.
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