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#20143 - 06/01/03 01:32 PM
George, help! Bee buzzes after piano notes/chords
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Junior Member
Registered: 02/28/03
Posts: 12
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I hope you are checking by here occasionally, George. I sure need help.
I record the K2600 digital output into a ProTools HD system.
I am working on a song in which the piano chords are hit with fairly good velocity and then held for several beats, then repeated. I am hearing something like a bee buzzing, or crickets humming, which kicks in maybe a second after the chord (or note) is hit. It is loudest when it first kicks in, and then it oscillates (like a decaying sine wave) in volume and dies out as the note dies out. It seems to lay on top of the sustain of the note.
I am sequencing in ProTools, but I hear the same thing if I play the keyboard. I hear this not only with chords. I can hear it when I strike a single note and hold it. The intensity varies. It seems to be loudest when I hold a chord between C3 and C4, but it is there with any piano note or chord; just a matter of degree.
It is driving me crazy. At first I was looking around the studio trying to find the cricket!!
I thought maybe it would be lost in the mix, but it cuts through like a knife.
I usually use the K2600 for drum and bass tracks, then mic guitar and vocal tracks. So, this is my first time to pay much attention to the piano programs. I hear this on all the piano programs, to different degrees. It is very evident to me on Programs 1 and 2. I have:
1. Pulled out the Sweetwater Grand Piano CD-ROM and tried some of these programs. I clearly hear it on these, also.
2. Switched off the reverb effects in KDFX on Program 1, for example, to see if this was the problem. No improvement.
2B. Gone into the MIDI track in ProTools and reduced the velocity of the notes, to see if the relatively high velocity was triggering this problem somehow. The problem remained, possibly at a somewhat diminished level...but clearly still there.
3. Tried a low pass filter in ProTools. It is not a high-frequency-only sound that can be filtered out this way....or at least I couldn't find the right filter.
4. Done a hard reset. No effect.
5. Called Kurzweil rep. He said no one had complained to him about this particular problem. He said I need to listen to another local K2600 to see if it is my K2600, or just something I have to live with when I use the piano programs. This wasn't much help.
Since I am only hearing this with piano programs, it is hard to believe that there is a problem with my K2600. On the other hand, if these are artifacts in the piano programs, I cannot believe there haven't been many complaints about this. I don't think I am that picky, and I hear this very clearly. And at 58 years of age, my ears don't qualify as super sensitive!
I don't really have a good alternative to the K2600 for piano tracks. I don't use them a lot, but I certainly want to have this option available to me.
Are there particular problems with artifacts in the piano programs? Is there a solution? I CAN'T be the only one hearing this.
Thanks, Mike
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#20151 - 06/18/03 02:47 PM
Re: George, help! Bee buzzes after piano notes/chords
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Registered: 11/17/99
Posts: 1150
Loc: netherlands
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Hello Mike,
I don't have this at all. I tried to emulate this bee buzzing even by hitting continously full chords and exessive sustain , there's no way I can emulate this. So it must be your K2600.
Maybe? There could be some dust on the contacts of your keyboard as the first sounds where you will notice this are the piano sounds.
If you send me a test midi with the bee buzz in it, I could test it and record it for you on my K2600 and send you an mp3 to compare the difference.
Fred
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Keyboards/Sound Units: Kurzweil 2600S, Roland VR-760, Acces Virus C, Roland G-800, Akai AX60, Minimoog, Machine Drum, Roland R8-M, mediastation x-76
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