i have just tried sellig my sd1+ and the best offer was $1100(AUS) about $975 US...i bought this for $3100AUS about 9 weeks ago...just goes to show that you can't sell em, so once you buy a ketron its with you forever (or a very long time anyway)...i think my only course of action will be to try and get some info from ketron about installing an alternate keybed, maybe even a weighted one, although i dont expect much joy there either...its one of the reasons i was looking at the used g1000,because i believe it has the same keybed as the va76 and i owned one of those and it was excellent....
dennis

Mmmmmmmm I have a freind who sold one last month for $2500.00 with fc 6 & case.

Wow! $2000AUSD is a bit steep for a 9 week tryout...

You may have to start following Donny's lead, and make your mind up (even if erroneously!- just joking, Donny ) to return any arranger within the return window if you don't immediately fall head over heels in love with it!

If no 'try before you buy'... DON'T BUY!

how did you try to sell it? I have bought and sold many Ketron units ....its one of teh best sounding arrangers on the market....people just dont understand them.
Btw why dont you like the SD1+.

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Oh, and dennis... Any used arranger, get a return policy too. Make sure that G1000 has no ZIP or floppy problems, and all the buttons work well. Check all the footswitch jacks and FC-7 jacks too...

And if you decide to go with it, post back after you have learned to use the Chord Sequencer, tell us what you think of it (there wasn't one on your VA76, was there...?)

to donny, out here the market is very "ketron,whats that!!..i really am not comfortable with the keybed, it is way too light and "plasticky" for want of a better term...the sound is good, the rhythms are good, operating system is passable, PC interfacing is archaic, fill system is too awkard and non-user friendly (eg in the korgs you can select where you want the fill to go), in the sd you've got 2 buttons, or pedal switches to push to get anywhere, and the jump function is a bit too rigid in operation..no long file names,no assignable functions to lower apart from sounds...it is a good board, but not for me, and as diki says $2000 is expesive for a trial.. i live 6 hours from nearest music store and 8 hours from ketron dealer...even the dealer didnt want to trade it in on a midjay (my thought was to get the Kurzweil PC1SE 76 note fully weighted piano/controller with the midjay and the Yamaha motif es rack)...........
Diki the seller assures me that EVERYTHING is working in A1 condition, and i d/l the manual and ive got to say that chord sequencer looks the business right enough...you and fran are right on the money,and no it wasn't on the va76, well not that i found anyway!!!
dennis

Miden,
it all depends on your location: apparently Australia isn't the best place in the world to resell a Ketron... but I will give you an example. I own a Midjay, that currently sells here in Italy for 1300 euros (1776 USD or 2151 AUSD); however, you can buy one from Synthplanet for 1100 euros (1503 USD or 1820 AUSD) and the current reselling price here in Italy is about 900 euros (1230 USD or 1489 AUSD). So, not a big loss at all after maybe one of two years of usage.
Clearly, you should resell it before a new model comes out...

[This message has been edited by Dreamer (edited 08-29-2007).]

Hello:

I agree with Dreamer, I sold my SD1 a little over 2 years ago, and I got what I had pay for besides the time I did gig with it and that was also 2 years, of course, the buyer already own another SD1 and also knew that mine was LOADED....I gave him the case too.

Why did you sell it?

miden you definately need to keep trying to sell it until you get what it is worth. While Ketron may not be so well known in Australia eventually you will find someone who knows what it is worth. The SD1+ is an excellent arranger keyboard. The reason a dealer wouldn't want to accept a trade on a Midjay is that they never want to trade in an item that is worth more than the one you are buying.

While you may not be able to sell it as quickly as you'd like persist until you find the right buyer.

with all due respect dreamer and mdorantes, your posts were quite irrelevant...sounds like you are both in europe and if i was i europe i would have sold this in about 2 days..and as to selling it before a new model, well, duh!!! its a bit sad when even the dealer wont do a trade back..i was even prepared to do a straight swap, the sd1+ for a midjay, but they weren't even interested in that....btw donny that offer of 1100 came out of ebay..i had listed it previously 3 times with not even a "looker" so i tried it with a starting price of $1, and thats as high as it got....nope, it really looks like i am stuck with it...as i said before my only hope is that ketron can say yes to being able to put in a heavier keybed,after all, fatar make a lot of them..
cheers
dennis
PS the roland g1000 is still a possibility, but i am not sure of how good the keybed is, and it is older technology....

hey nigel, what you say is sound, but i have actually listed it in ebay 4 times over the past 6 weeks, as i said the last 3 did not even have people listed as "lookers" and only about 18 visits for each listing...this last one i tried the trick of listing for a $1 and , well you knoe the result...with the trad to the dealer i even offered $200 in cash, also the midjay i wanted had to have the harmoniser as well which bumped the price up by about $350....the only thing holdng me back from buying the g1000 is it has no harmoniser,plus i dont want to have to lug two full size boards to gigs....man talk about a mistake...in reality its a case of i will just have to force myself to like playing the sd1 (not the sounds the action)..
anyway sh*t hapens i s'pose
cheers,
dennis

Miden,

Manuel Dorantes lives in Arizona...

Speaking of your problem, I REALLY think that you should sit down and let the present feeling of frustration fade away.
The SD1 is still an excellent arranger and if you take the time to accustom with it you will be rewarded by what you will receive in return.
Thinking of replacing the keybed is just plain unfeasible; besides, it would cost you much more money and the results are simply non-predictable.
I understand how you feel now but, having owned an SD1 in the past, I can tell you that you own an excellent keyboard (just ask Donny for a confirmation...)
Thinking of swapping the SD1 for a Midjay, with all the due respect for a Midjay, goes to prove that right now you are in an altered state of mind, which leads you to perceive things in a rather distorted way.
(No offense implied, just a plain constatation... )
So my advice is: sit down, try to calm, play your SD1 more and then make up your mind.

listen to Dreamer.....keep the Sd1+

if you want a different keybed......just get a nice controller that suits you key feel needs and midi it up to the SD1+.....if you think your not happy now.....wait till you make the big mistake and sell one of the greatest arranger keyboards on the market with sounds & features second to none.

Sadly, Ketron products are a little known brand in most of North America...I know it is that way in Canada.

It's tough to sell an unknown, no matter how good it is.

Ian

Probably the best way to sell it, if you are gigging quite a bit, would be to knuckle down, get the best sound you can possibly get from it, wow the crowd, and then, if ANYONE comes up and asks you what that great keyboard is, offer to sell it to them..!!

Giving a good demo is ALWAYS the best way to lubricate a sale...

I sell all mine to Tom Cavanaugh.
DonM

That's because Tommy knows a Great KB when he plays one

yes perhaps you are all correct, but tryig to play solo piano in a bar on the sd1+ keyboard is just not cool...i bought this from the dealer (as i said 8 hours away) bceause he said the keybed was the equal of roland and korg, and was the best that ketron had put on their units...well if thats the case i would hate to play one of their earlier keyboards, and it is NOT even similar to theroland or korg actions..60% of what i do is midi files + live keyboard/keyboard-guitar, or keyboard and bass so feel is critical...the sd1 is okay for playing purely arranger stuff where perhaps feel i less important, hell, even i have fun playing it it arranger mode!!!
yes mdorantes it seems you understand it wasn't a personal attack on you, and it was not intended that way, so apologies if it came across that way
cheers
dennis

Just a quick question...

If the keyfeel was so important to you, why did you not return it the minute you played it? There's got to be SOME reason you held on to it for 9 weeks...

hi diki, i thought i could get used to it over time...i felt this way pretty much as soon as i opened the box, but the feel was a lot better than either the e50/60 or the pa800, so i thouhgt okay maybe the other things the board does might make a compromise possible..that is why i gave it so long...another thing it does not do well is slash chords, it has this button that says it plays the lowest note in a chord, but if you try to do say a C, C/B, C/Bb C/A you cant because instead oh holding the cmaj tonality of your chord it plays (in the same order) a cmaj7,c7,c6 progression...this is a feature that korg yamah and roland have all addressed and made happen......ill repeat i dont mind the rhythms and some sounds etc, but the keyfeel is why i was wanting to trade to the midjay, but then add say the kurzweil PC1se,a 76 note fully weighted keyboard, PLUS the kurz pianos are some of the best going around too!! but it looks like its not gonna happen unless i take a HUGE hit financially so i will now have to deal with it...i dont think i will buy the g1000..as i said i dont usually go backwards in tech, and it is nearly 10 years old now....it is SO, SO frustrating not being in or near a city i've gotta tell you...
anyway sorry about the long winded answer, but yes i did want to give the board a decent go before i decided to bail..
cheers
dennis

[This message has been edited by miden (edited 08-30-2007).]

Hi Dennis,
where on earth did you have it listed?
I check Aust. ebay nearly every day & have never noticed an sd1 for sale.


best wishes
Rikki

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hi rikki
it has been listed in musical instruments/keyboard piano....perhaps you weren't looking hard enough
cheers
dennis

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[This message has been edited by miden (edited 08-31-2007).]

. sorry had to delete it.. was an unneccessary comment
cheers
dennis

[This message has been edited by miden (edited 08-31-2007).]

I know it's a pain but why don't you midi it to a digital piano then you will have the feel you want. The new Casio pianos are cheap, 88 keys, play well and light. the sd and the casio probably weight less than my G70.

Miden, if you can get like $700-$800 more for it in another country, maybe you should offer the keyboard on Ebay to more countries.

hey montana, yeah i've thought of that, but i really dont want to lug to keyboards..and beaky its a good idea but shipping costs from australia to anywhere in the world for an item this big just make it way too expensive...eg to ship to the states would cost around $650 AU!!!
but thanks for your suggestions...i think i have decided to just "put up with it" and put it down to experience...
cheers
dennis