Hello

I am pulling my hair out while working with SONG Recorder (sequencer) on PSR 2000.

There are 16 tracks available.
I start with track 1. Select a Drum kit for track 1. When I want to record, it asks me with part I want to record. (main, layer, left, etc...). I think this is stupid. I want to record Drum kit using the keyboard, no matter what part it is.

OK, I select main part to be recorded.
Now I go to track 2. select another sound, bass for track 2. Start recording, selet Main as the part to be recorded.

I record 8 bars. everything fine so far.

Now, I want to add to track 1. When I start recording, the sound is bass, not drums.

Can't I just select sounds for each track, and then just record using that sound? why do I have to select main, layer, part.. etc?

any help.. thanks.

You must record drum tracks on 9 or 10.
They are dedicated to drums.
DonM

That's not correct, you can record drums on any track, and on as many track as you want.

The problem is, the song recorder doesn't remember the sounds on each track, it will pick up sound from the part you are recording from, unless you use an external midi keyboard.

For GM maping I think DonM is right.Even Roland does that with there workstations.you only have Track 9 and 10 to do drums.Only korg workstations as far as I know can do drums in any tracks(may be gem too?)..if I'm wrong please correct me

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Vic:)

For GM maping I think DonM is right.Even Roland does that with there workstations.you only have Track 9 and 10 to do drums.Only korg workstations as far as I know can do drums in any tracks(may be gem too?)..if I'm wrong please correct me

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Vic:)

Well, that's a little off topic, but YAMAHA has a more powerful MIDI implementation than SG.. it's XG.
You can have drums on any track you want, Even in a style.

OK, now back to the original problem, sequencer getting sound from Part you record. Look at it this way, there are 4 parts, but 16 tracks. So it's very annoying to change sound back and forth.

Any help?

That doesn't sound right not being able to select a drum kit for tracks other than 9 and 10.. I can understand if you're recording styles, but if you're using the 16 tracks you should be able to select a drum kit for a track... Doesn't it work similiar to the PSR-740? On the 740 you chose a track, then R1,R2,L and so forth. If the 2000 is using "main" in the way the 740 used R1 you should be able to choose a drum kit... it would be pointless to only be able to record drums on 9 and 10.. If that's the case how are you supposed to add cymbal crashes here and there and other percussive sounds??? I know professional synths have the drum track default to track 10 (with the exception of the Yamaha EX series), but the sequencer on the PSR-2000 shouldn't be set up like that...

Squeak

Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time. But it works correctly when recording on 9 and 10.
Sorry if I misled anyone.
DonM

You guys are not getting my point.

Yes, I can select a drum kit for any track. But the problem is when you revisit a track.

Let's forget about the drum kits, take any sound. for example, on Track 1, I select piano, then select Main (now the main part has the piano sound). I finish recording 8 meaures. Then I go to track 2, select a bass sound, now again I have to select which part (main, layer or left), I select main, (now main part is set to bass). I record 8 measures in four or five tracks like this using different sounds.

Now I find that I need to over dub piano track (track 1). I select that track to be recorded, now again I have to select which part, now this step is stupid.... If i select main, it will change the sound to whatever sound was select for Main part last. Why do we have to select a part???

O.K. I see what you mean. It does seem to be a flaw.
DonM

Ahhhhh I see the magic word "overdub"... You cannot overdub tracks with the 16 track sequencer... The PSR-2000 only allows you to overdub under style recording.. That's why they're saying you select tracks 9 and 10 because these are the drum tracks for a style.. The PSR-2000's sequencer will only allow you to record once to a track and if you try to overdub the new recorded data will replace the previously recorded one.. That's one gripe I have with Yammies sequencers in their arrangers.. Even the almighty 9000 Pro doesn't allow you to overdub using the standard 16 track sequencer.. You can do overdub recording on your PSR-2000, you just have to do it under style recording.. Hope this helped

Squeak

Also want to add, that if you could overdub on track 1, one of the options would be "overdub"... Since this can't be done "overdub" is not an option.

Well, thanks for the info, that I can't over dub, even on 9000 Pro? What's Yamaha thinking??????

But the main problem is still there. Let's not try to over dub, but punch in/out on a track. It doesn't remember the previous sound, it takes what's on the part, not what's on track.
For example, I record 8 bars each on 5 tracks. Now I go to track 2, punch in from measure 9 to 16, well, it doesn't set the current sound to what was on track 2 in the previous bars, it select whatever is on the part.
I hope you get what I am trying to say.

Anyone using the so called sequencer on PSR2000?

Hi Shakil,

My name is also Shakeel Ahmed.And
I think like u I also use squencing very
deeply.I love to explore the sequencing
capabilites of a keyboard.

I have used many pro boards.Anw i
have 9000 and kn 6500.Now lets come to the point it is vvveeeerryyyy pity part of all
the members of this forum that they talk
very least about saquencing and sampling.

Now,to your point all yamaha
arranger boards have vveerryy poor sequencers
they dont work on it why....I dont know.
Since i dont own 2000 but i have realy
unnderstood your poit.Same problem like
yours,is with my 9000.It has even week
seqencing ablities than 2000.

However,the only slution is go
for Technics 6500.U will feel like a bird
in the sky.It has,i think THE BEST
sequencer evre designd for an arranger.
My, humble advice to you is sell this
2000 shit board,If u want to work on song
making and buy a new or a used kn6500.

I don't think the PSR-2000's sequencer is cheap, but just lacking in some areas.. It should at least allow you to loop (outside of the style recorder), and it should allow you to overdub on all 16 tracks... For some reason Yamaha keeps making their sequencers this way... I wouldn't doubt that the "Tyros" has the same set up with its sequencer as well... It's a pitty the VERY expensive 9000 Pro is the same way too....

YES Thats it !!
So there are others who are having fun with the Y2K -SeQ.
I thought it was me but Squeak has a great piont "no loops"
How can you lay down a Bass line for the whole song , can`t you "build per messure" or atleast "1st ending" or "to bridge"
jedi

Now, now Shakeel when you say U will feel like a bird in the sky you are going to ruffle a lot feathers. Come on Squeak, unruffle your feathers, he didn't say I don't think the PSR-2000's sequencer is cheap. All he said was my humble advice is sell this 2000 shit board. However, there is some good, just remember it's only one third the cost and very lite weight. Just be careful how you pick it up and don't get your fingers in it.

Oh, sorry about the confusion.. I wasn't saying that he said the sequencer was "cheap" at all.. That was just my opinion on it.. I mean that "I myself" didn't feel it was cheap or totally useless so to say. I think the PSR-2000 is an awsome keyboard, Hell if I could afford it I would have already bought one. As far as I'm concerned the PSR-2000 is the best bang for the buck in its class.. Well worth the money. I just feel that Yamaha kind of cheeses out on the sequencer... Sorry if my post confused anyone.. Wasn't saying that anyone said the PSR-2000 was "cheap"...

Squeak

Thank you guys for chipping in for help.

I spent some time with PSR2000 sequencer this weekend, to figure out a way of working around the problems that are discussed above.
I am used to sequencer in TRITON. Where everything is stripped off the tracks, and you must set everything by yourself. But in PSR2000 you need to change the way you work with a basic sequencer.

1. There is a way of over dubbing a track.
2. There is a way to keep the sounds that are in track, so when you revisit the track, you won't overwrite the previous sound.

1. How to over dub record in PSR2000.
Record the first take in a track. When you want to overdub, record the take in a new track. Then just Mix the first track and the new track to the first track.

2. When you start a new song, you will use registration memory to store sound setting for each track.
Track 1 to 8: Main sound, reg memory 1 to 8
Track 9 to 16: Layer sound, reg memory 1 to 8.

So let's start it. I start by laying down a basic drum loop. Make sure MAIN voice is selected. Now select the drum kit you want to use, make volume, pan, effect send, filter, eq and other settings. Now save it in reg memory 1. Go ahead record your take in track 1, using MAIN voice as input part.

Now select the sound you want to use for second track. make changes to sound, and save it in reg memo 2. now you can go ahead and record as many tracks.

This way you can go back and forth between tracks, and not have to reselect the sound you selected previously.


I find that sequencing on PSR2000 is much faster, if you just change your ways a bit. And take advantage of the accompainant part. There are actually 32 parts in PSR2000, so you can record along any style, and then add the drum tracks later, or just use audio loops, once your song is in computer.

have fun with PSR2000.