Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Yes the pro version with dual ondeck Mic input sliders really looks interesting.....

Alex.....Great post I agree!



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 10-09-2006).]

If I look to my own observations, I think in Europe Yamaha & Roland are on Par at the moment.

To Alex:

About the service of Roland, I can only speak from my own experience, allthough it's been years ago I needed them, you could just call Roland Benelux and talk directly with the technical people of Roland.
Don't know whether this is still the case, but I think it is.




I am pretty sure there's one for me too in the future. I love all those knobs.
But before that I will first start experimenting with the software route.

Fred

This is only MY opinion and response to having both the Tyros2 and PA1x Pro in my studio. If Yamaha does, in fact, dominate the arranger market, it is because of the much more intuitive OS. However, despite this, and probably because of the Styles, drum voices, and 76 keys, I hardly ever touch the Tyros2 and when I go into my studio, I immediately head for and flip on the PA1x Pro. Most of my compositions and arrangements are in the jazz/jazz fusion genre' and the PA1x just has better styles for that type of music. The T2 is, in my opinion, the more technologically advanced of the two, although both are light years behind where they should be, given the currently available computer processing power. But all of that means little when you sit down to play the thing. It's the one that inspires you that's always going to be "first call".

The point is, if Yamaha IS dominating the market, it's because the market is mostly a home market and mostly an amateur market. This is not meant to be insulting; it's just a fact. If Yamaha wanted to market to the pro's, I believe the T2 would more closely resemble their "PRO" line of keyboards. JMO.

chas

If any of the leading manufactureres had to depend on the "pro" market...they would go out of business......bet your bottom dollar, it is the home market that keeps them afloat.

Ask any MI store!!!

BTW...when I started selling Hammonds in the 60's...it was the same story...The home market were the buyers ...not the "pros"..

Just a little curious why, after all the negative comments about the whole 'my keyboard dominates yours' general leaning lately, dnj decides to resurrect the whole issue AGAIN.........?

Haven't we got ANYTHING else worth talking about?

Why not a thread about why certain things about 'yours' is better than 'mine'? There's GOT to be something you would like from another arranger line to be added to yours......

I know Donny does, after all, he went through enough bloody arrangers trying to find 'it' ..........

Another thing in Yamaha's favor are the excellent support websites such as PSR Tutorial. It is really good to know you have access to a dedicated group of experts for answers to questions as well as the large number of downloads available. Perhaps the other Mfgs have similar sites but I am speaking only from experience owing Yamaha boards.

why yammy is selling

1.Better OS(very easy to use)(music finder is now copied by both Roland and Korg,though they had it is not as flexible and easy)
2.better 3 rd party world(including free styles)
3.Light weight
4.features ahead of the competition(USB to device and SM card)in mid range market
5.more everything for the price(MORE Rom,More POLY,more 'must have' features)in general(pads that plays LOOPs - before Pax -Korg doesn't have it)
6.some "must have" sounds are made right(SAXES and guitars,also acceptable AC pianos)
7.Better styles and fills(which can fit most songs)(eg.not over orchestrated like KORG)
8.More tuned for arranger gigger than studio musician(who will buy a sampler/workstaion anyway)(this is the mistake of the competition who sees things other way so doesn't sell well-havier,more unused features but lacks reatime hands on functions in arranger play-eg-dual button pressing in KORGs ).
9.styles more focused(and also more) on ballads ,8 beats and pop/dance than swing/waltz ,pokas and world(which attracts most people)
10.better priced(same priced 76 keys EXR7 has 2 varition and No style maker for a mid priced arranger(yet have 16 ch seq)?may have better overall sound than psr 1500,but people will go for Psr 1500 anyway though they know that they'll have to live up with song maker and not so great keys compared to EXR.(not to mention 1500 has storage advantages).

problem with Yam - they are getting away with cheap hardware,not so great drums and OK overall sound,(but the competition refuse to listen,so they are loosing out to Yammy).




[This message has been edited by jamman (edited 10-09-2006).]

Fran: Have you looked at the Neko from www.openlabs.com ?

Diki, I'm not sure anyone else perceives it that way. If Yamaha does dominate the arranger market, I think anyone interested in arrangers would want to know why; or at least hear other member's opinions on why they think that is so. I see it as a perfectly legitimate question and not a "pissing contest" question unless someone went out of their way to make it one. JMO.

chas