Because it's commonly understood that a new car typically loses tremendous resale value the minute you drive it off the lot, curious if arranger keyboards lose (proportionately) as much re-sale value, the minute we get it home from the store for a few days. - Scott

[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 08-06-2006).]

Hi Scott:

My guess is that depends on what keyboard is it, as an example I will use the old organ Hammond B3 with Leslie's either 122 or 147, came out in the early 50's, and now if you want to buy one in mint condition, I have seen people pay triple or more of what originally sold for. The matter of a fact is, Roland, Korg, Nord and even the new Hammond Suzuki still try to make clones of this wonderful instrument, in our T2, we have samples of those, like the Ketron X1, SD1, SD1+, HDs, and other makers, also include samples of setting of this organ.

Another example but for synths, is the Prophet 5 by Sequential Circuits, some model(I do not recalled now) from Moog, and so on.
I will say that there are "Classics" like the electric pianos Rhodes, Wurlitzer, etc....like the guitars too, have certain model that are a HIT, and others not matter how good they may be, do not make the list....and example of that was the Hammond X66, my guess it was to far ahead of it's time.

Hi Scott,

Keyboards, as well as all other appliances, lose 20% of their price the moment you take it out of the store here. That's the amount of Value-Added Tax. Second-hand goods are sold without VAT.

George

Hi Scott,
over here private sale, for a current model, the most you can usually get for a second hand keyboard is somewhere between 35% to 50% of recommended retail.
For instance VA7 had recommended retail of $6,000 AUD. I bought my friends 2 year old VA7 for $2,000 AUD , I sold it 6 months later for $1,700 AUD & 6 months after that , I saw it on Ebay for $1,300. I was sorely tempted to buy it back , but missed out.

Tyros 1 had a recommended retail of just over $7,000 AUD. Just before the Tyros 2 arrived on the scene, saw a couple of Tyros 1's on Ebay for just over $3,000. Didn't sell.

My 2 year old 9000pro I only managed to get about 40 to 45% retail value.

best wishes
rikki


[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 08-06-2006).]

There are many factors
-Support(Technics - now out of the question)

-Reputation(generally speaking,an expensive Casio arranger will not have the same resale value as a KORG,Roland)

-3rd party support(Yamaha definately have the edge)


As a fact,I know that KORG arrangers retain their value well.I had bought/sold Yam,roland and Korg arrangers and the reason that Korg hold their value is - having workstation type sequencer and same sound board.(X series workstaions - I and IS series arrangers,PA series arrangers- from Triton classic).since sound board is much better than competitors (speaking of arrangers).Craiglist or Recycler(not even Ebay)you can almost get a decent price without waiting for a long time.
Not all buyers are arranger users(since Korg does poor in fills,OS somewhat not easy as Yam),but the hardware,sound and functionality(can use it in a band - always have combi/performance type user setups where you can split and layer the WORKSTATION quality sounds/ALSO LOADS WORKSTATION PATCHES/PROG)as a studio KB plus occational arranger work.


hardware wise(before PA50)all most all Korg arrangers are built to last(some rolands are too-but the the downside of Roland is the sound board GM/GS instead of XP,fantom series).Since they don't have much mid or low priced arrangers,most support Aftertouch compared to the competition(exception of IS 50,I5/4,and ofcource pa5-60)).Earlier ones also have more worktaion look(I3,30,Ix300 etc).

I3 or I30 will be sold pretty quick but not so with G600/800 or even 1000-ask Uncle Dave),you have to wait or sell with lower price.

On Roland side, though they have better piano,comparable hardware,better Keys sometimes -sound board is not comparable -VA series doen't have the same XP engine for example,nor G70 have the same Fantom engine),most of them have revamped SC88pro sound canvas board with SOME workstaion sounds/expension slots(not the case with KORG where they use EXACT SAME samples.Mid level Rolands are hardest to sell.E70,86 harder than G1000 for example.

befor PA50, there was no midpriced Korg arranger,everything was more than $1500.Not the case with Yam or Roland.

In general,arrangers that still hold their value in the used market are the ones with good hardware/keys/functions(must have D drive,mod wheel,joy stick)-(Korg i3,2/I30/Roland Va7,G1000 yam psr 9000 pro,etc).Not so with mid priced,corners cut I5 or G600 or PSR 1000,1100 which lacks mod wheel.

-another important point about Yamahas is,in US market(after introduction of psr 2000,though the keys are not as good,lacks after touch,weak hardware),you can sell it much quicker than say more well built Roland VA3,same is true for psr2100,but not so with 1000,1100 (for the above mentioned reason).The only problem is most Yams were beaten hard before they hit the used market(problems like stuck keys,non working outputs)(since hardware is poorly made).Not the case with higher models like T1 or 9000 pro.
In EU and mid east where arrangers are more widely used,both KORG and Roland have the market better than in US ,so it's easier/faster to sell.


So if you have invested in a good arranger ,it will retain it's value atleast 40-50%. (to your question- recently purchased arranger like T2 or G70,will go down atleast $500.)




Like most electronics,we buy the technology for today,so we better use it today.If we want to use it next year ,buy it next year.If we buy a acoustic instrument(ac piano or classic guitar),it's a differernt story.



[This message has been edited by jamman (edited 08-06-2006).]

An arranger will hold it's value pretty well until the appearance of the next generation, when it will hold it value to about 40-60% of what the new generation costs, depending on condition and options. Each successive generation, another @50% reduction.

So if you are going to sell, the sooner the better........

Rikki,

As a matter of interest I am about to put your old 9000pro on the second hand market again. The price is likely to be another 25% less than what I paid when I bought it from you (and this includes all the extras I have added e.g. hard disk drive, Gator case, keyboard stand etc).

Kind regards,
Mark

Hi Mark,
small world.
What are you replacing it with?
It is disapointing how much we lose over time.
Now adays I limit myself to one keyboard at a time (currently ketron sd1+) & get my "must have something new" fix via softsynths & pc software. Bit easier on the pocket.

Good luck with your sale.
best wishes
Rikki

Rikki,

I am selling it because I am not playing live at the moment (since Sept 05). I was playing 2 nights per week for 2 years using the 9000pro. I really do not want to sell it but it has been in the box for nearly a year (besides we need the money to help with renovations!).

The 9000pro will not be replaced with a dedicated arranger. I bought a laptop early last year with the goal of going software based using a controller keyboard. However because I never had much spare time I didn't get to set up the laptop properly for live use i.e. making sure sounds and styles were equal or better than the 9000pro.

In fact I am also thinking of selling my Korg SG1 weighted controller, my 61 note Kawai controller and my laptop (IBM T42 thinkpad fully decked out - dual boot XP general/music, 2Gb ram, two internal hard disks 60Gb 7200rpm system disk, 40Gb samples disk etc etc). The laptop will be especially hard to part with , but I have a brand new laptop provided with my job as well as a new desktop at home.

To answer your question, the replacement for the keyboards will probably be a Roland FP2 (good sounds and key feel, basic arranger styles, onboard speakers, light weight, USB). This will allow me (and the kids) to just power up and play without a computer, or I can run software instruments with the computer - all I need is time and money .

Kind regards,
Mark

A couple years ago I posted a link to used equipment. I believe it was http://www.prepal.com/welcome.htm

Gary