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#209218 - 10/22/05 05:53 AM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 02/23/01
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Friends, many thanks for your words; I have played with the Tyros 2 briefly yesterday evening (till well past midnight), and this morning; right now I am busy transferring my old registrations and styles from T1 to T2, via hard disk. To stay safe I have saved to the HD also the internal styles of T1, because some of them have been tweaked on T2 or have changed names, so I did this this just in case I liked the old styles more. Here are my preliminary impressions: Tyros 2 is an improved Tyros 1, without its defects or bugs. The internal sounds have been MUCH improved and some of them are even outstanding; just to name one category, the guitars are all amazing and I cannot get tired of playing the SA Concert Guitar or the SA Nylon Guitar: very simply the most realistic acoustic guitar I have ever played on every arranger, synth or sampler. Speaking of other sounds, the Saxophones and the Brass too have been greatly improved, but it takes some time to accustom oneself to the subtleties of the Super Articulation, and maybe a breath controller would help too. All the sounds have been, more or less, improved, and there is a dedicated pop-up menu to explain how you can obtain the different sound effects with different playing techniques (aftertouch, legato vs. staccato playing, etc) Another category which has been greatly improved are the Strings; here again, I have never played Strings so realistic on another arranger or synth and maybe only the Roland SRX 06 expansion card (Complete Orchestra) can come close in terms of choice or sound quality. I am sure that I will discover many more features as I explore all the other sound categories; for now I can only say that I was disappointed to see that in the vocal categories are still missing the beautiful Scat Voices already present in the old 9000 pro (sorry Eric... ) Speaking of styles, the old ones have been almost all tweaked and revoiced and are now generally improved; there are also many new styles, never released before by Yamaha, and I was pleased to discover a lot of them in the latin section, like "Guajira", "Bachata", "Cuban Son", "Guaguanco", "Danzon", "Vallenato", etc (I remember some of them from the SD1). Other styles now have different names, like the "Cuban bolero" that now is called "Slow bolero" and also sounds a bit different, so I saved the old one to my hard disk, just in case... I was very pleased to find a lot of new and interesting multipads and finally now they are linked to the style, meaning that whenever you select a new style you already have a corresponding multipad selected (and one that makes sense from a musical point of view) and so one is not bound anymore to that awful "Hip hop 1" bank. The multipads are now synced to the style even if you start to play them first (as an introduction) and trigger the style only later (on T1 they were in sync with the style only if you started the style first and the multipad later). Another thing I loved: when you switch from one registration to another there is not anymore that dreadful lingering effect of the old sound that the T1 had (maybe this has something to do with a better handling of the transition at the level of the DSP). I hope to post some demo's in the next days, as soon as I feel comfortable with this beast (believe me, it's not easy to tame it, and going from T1 to T2 is like going from a peaceful donkey to a wild horse!) I would like to add a last word about the comparisons between different arrangers that have been going on this Forum in these last days: now that I have the Tyros 2 I am more than ever convinced that every arranger, just like every synth, has its personality, and so Ketron lovers will never be satisfied with a Yamaha, and vice-versa. This is to say that the Tyros 2 has the same clean sound (with a CD like quality) of the Tyros 1; this could be a plus for some, and a minus for others: now, who is right? A final consideration about the drums issue: I have the feeling that, speaking of them, many of us are referring mainly to "kicks and snares"; if this is the case, I agree that an arranger like the SD1 has nice, crisp and punchy kicks and snares but... my humble opinion is that "Drums" is a category that should include also things like cymbals, triangles, snowbells, or agogo... and here -to my ears- the Tyros has clearly an edge, with its clean, CD-like, sound: try to record a song using the cymbals of an SD1 and you will understand what I mean... OK, enough said for now; more to follow as I have something new to report. Best regards to all. Andrea
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#209224 - 10/22/05 09:10 AM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 02/23/01
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Donny, I will try to answer your questions, but for at least some of them I have to just quote what the owner's manual says. 1- Differences in the vocalizer: I cannot comment much here, since I don't sing at all and actually have never used the vocalizer in T1; the user manual says that the T2 has 60 presets, ranging from Country Quartet to Pop Vocal (preset 81 is "Thru"). The vocalizer menu (window) looks the same, both in T1 and T2. 2- Music Finder: I don't think that it can save the key of the song; I have tried to call several songs, but each time in the main screen there was no indication whatsoever of the key; this appeared as soon as I played a chord in the left section of the keyboard. The Music Finder, however, now remembers the song you called last and so you don't have to scroll every time from the first item on the list (as it was the case with T1). 3 and 4 - I cannot answer right now, since I haven't tried to play or edit a midifile yet. 5- Yes, you can play a song recorded to the hard disk and you can even import songs from an external source (like your computer) and create a playlist with them. 6- Yes, there are three USB ports: two on the rear panel (to device and to host) and one on the front panel (to device), on the right side. There are also a video output (NTSC or PAL) and an RGB output.
On a side note: the keyboard is very easy to transport, due to both its weight (14,5 kg, 15,5 with the music rest) and also its shape (it's really easy to get a hold of it due to the protruding upper part of the case).
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#209231 - 10/22/05 12:08 PM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 02/23/01
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Loc: Rome - Italy
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Tapas, thank you for your words, but I am afraid that there is a misunderstanding: I don't own a Clavinova and have never posted on the CVP User Group Forum. I would be very happy, however, to answer any other question related to the Tyros 2. Best regards, Andrea
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#209233 - 10/22/05 12:32 PM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 02/23/01
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Loc: Rome - Italy
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Tapas, actually I think that the keybed is the same as the Motif 6, so is much better than the old Tyros 1. The keys have a nice, solid feeling and they appear also more responsive to key velocity (which means that the sound is louder, compared with Tyros 1, even hitting the key with the same strenght).
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#209235 - 10/22/05 01:14 PM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 10/22/05
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Originally posted by DerfMuisc: As a singer, I've been hoping for a significant improvement of the vocalizer, but I guess I'll have to wait on that one. I am new to joining this forum, but have been reading it for a while. As I'm awaiting delivery of a T2, I've been following various discussions with interest -- here and elsewhere. On another forum, I found suggestions for improving VH on the T1. I've no personal knowledge of how much they help on the T1 (as I've never owned a T1), but maybe someone will find them useful on the T2. The entire context of the discussion is found at: http://musiciansroom.net/Discussions/Tyros/322.aspx Specifically, the suggestions to which I refer were: "I have discovered the secret to 'improving' VH distortion on Tyros ...is all to do with the master EQ setting.....none of the preset settings will give good results on VH... You will need to brighten the Main EQ settings considerably ( not the Mic EQ although the same principle applies here too ) Please try following setting to start & see how it works for you.. Medium Setting,, eq1+2db, eq2 +2db, eq3+3db, eq4+6db, eq5+9db Crisp Setting..eq1+4db, eq2+3db, eq3+6db, eq4+8db, eq5+10db These may seem very extreme ....but they will not only brighten your overall sound ..but will improve VH distortion considerably.....I believe that the dist. on VH is caused by the bass frequencies being too dominant...." Again, I have ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE of how helpful these suggestions might be. I am simply throwing them into the discussion. Charles Walker
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#209236 - 10/22/05 01:28 PM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 12/15/99
Posts: 2029
Loc: Ventura, Ca, USA
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Hi Andrea, thanks for the great report. You are right about your observation regarding personality and sound (Ketron vs Yamaha) Paul and I have that discussion every time we talk.... As you know he is a Ketron man. Even though he is eager to see my new T2 when it arrives, I doubt that he will be fully satisfied with it. He just has to wait for the next Ketron generation. Regarding Scat voices: I already knew that they won't be included in the T2, however with the voice expansion I'm hoping that either Yamaha or Peter Ships will come up with some usable ones, and if not I'm hoping to load voice from other companies. Either way I think I'll be very happy. Plus I'm getting some awesome styles for the T2 from Germany, which some of them are really kicking but.... as they did already on my Pro Enjoy taming your new beast.... [img] http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif[/img] Ciao Eric
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#209240 - 10/23/05 08:15 AM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 02/23/01
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Loc: Rome - Italy
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Rolandfan, thank you for your words. Re. your questions: 1- Yes, the T2 has an arabic kit, like the T1. 2- In the T2 there are 8 banks of Oriental loops; the first two are just Darbouka and Tambourine and are perfect to play things like a Belly Dance ; furthermore, there are 2 banks of Arabic Percussions, but they are not looped, just single shot percussions; for what is worth, there is also a sample of a woman doing that strange sound with her tongue (if you are familiar with arabic music you'll know what I mean). The Arabic percussions left me rather cold, but the Oriental loops are excellent: can't wait to record a song using them! 3- The Sweet Soprano is one of the few Sax sounds that have not received the Super Articulation treatment; this means that it sounds exactly like the T1, maybe a little better. I cannot be sure, but I have a feeling that in T2 there is an overall improvement of the sound, compared with T1, like there is something different in the converters; however, it's also possible that it's just a psycological effect due to the excitement of the new toy... 4- No, the SFX kits (two of them) don't have an applause; however, there is a nice applause in the GM/XG bank and in the GM2 bank (the sample is the same). Best regards, A. [This message has been edited by Dreamer (edited 10-23-2005).]
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#209243 - 10/23/05 12:25 PM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 10427
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Just had a terrific 1 hour free Skype chat (Rome to San Francisco) with Dreamer (Andrea Rotolo) in which he gave me a wonderful personal demonstration, playing his Tyros2 LIVE. He played for me MANY of the Tyros2 voices & styles. As I had expected, the Super Articulation voices sounded stunning, capturing the life-like nuances of an acoustic instrument better than I've ever heard b4 on any arranger keyboard I've ever played, which have included: Roland G70, Korg PA1Xpro, Ketron SD1, and Tyros1 too. Andrea first played(in auto accomp mode), an 8 bar melody featuring Yamaha's standard sax, trumpet/brass, and guitar voices. This sounded respectfully impressive as I would have expected, But Andrea then followed up each melody with another 8 bars+ playing the new 'Super Articulation' voice equivalents of the same acoustic instrument voices. The dramatic improvement was immediately apparent. It was like going from black & white TV to color TV, or a 2 dimensional image (flat) to 3D. Of interesting note is the Tyros2 Super Articulation 'Pedal Steel Guitar' Voice. I was amazed how it sounded when Andrea played it live, along with a Country style. When you apply the pitch bend wheel, it only bends one note in the chord played with your right hand, as a true pedal steel works. Impressively authentic. Cool For LIVE KEYBOARD PERFORMANCE players here who want to re-create the most authentic sounding acoustic instruments, and with the most lifelike 'musical expression', the Tyros2 is it. I've now played & auditioned live, the Roland G70, Korg Pa1XPro, Ketron SD1, and Tyros1. Though they've all got their strengths, for portable live keyboard performance, the Tyros2 is the one to beat. I'm now more excited than ever to receive my Tyros2. In the meantime, I've decided to keep my Tyros1 a little while longer, so I can make sure my existing Tyros1 songs, styles & Regs are successfully moved over to the Tyros2 & sounding the way I want them. In closing, I want to thank Skype, MSN, and other free internet PC to PC services now available for giving ALL OF US the ability to freely chat (both IM, VOICE, and Webcam) with virtually anyone in the world now. I first Andrea several years ago here on SZ, and then, when he came to San Francisco on an extended visit 3 years ago(?), we spent a lot of time together discussing and playing music together, quickly becoming lifelong friends. It's only because of the newly discovered magic of PC to PC internet telephone + video cam, that we're able to stay in touch regularly, and chat with each other (including video) as if we live right next door to each other. The sound quality is INCREDIBLE (both voice & video). I encourage others to reach out to fellow SZ friends this way as well. BTW: Skype also supports 3-4 way conference calls. And of course . . . it's ALL totally FREE! My skpe ID is: scottyee Scott [This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 10-23-2005).]
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#209246 - 10/23/05 11:44 PM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Donny, 1- the harmonizer buttons are exactly like on T1; there are two lights corresponding to "Signal" and "Over" plus the lights over the buttons "Vocal harmony", "Talk", "Effect", "VH type select" and "Mic setting".
2- Yes, whenever you select a song in the Music Finder the four OTS change according to the song chosen.
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#209250 - 10/24/05 01:06 PM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Originally posted by Dnj: 2- When you select a song on the music finder list & press enter does the OTS link come on automaticaly? [Arggggg} I believe what DNJ is asking here about Music Finder, is whether the 'OTS LINK' button turns on (lights up) automatically when you first open Music Finder, as this is what happens on the Tyros1 and the PSR3000. I have to concur with DNJ that, at least on my Tyros1, though it's possible to simply turn OFF the 'OTS LINK' button right after launching the MusicFinder Window, whenever I leave MusicFinder, to go to the MAIN Window (to check settings), and then return to MusicFinder, the OTS LINK button goes back to 'on' again . I would prefer that the OTS LINK on/off status remained where I set it last, at least until the keyboard is turned off. The question I believe Donny (and myself) ask is whether the MusicFinder's "OTS LINK" button on/off status works this same way with Tyros2 or not. Now that we're on the subject of the Tyros2 MusicFinder. Tyros2 owners: please confirm if it's possible to call up via MusicFinder, custom styles located only on the Tyros Hard Drive and/or USB Memory Stick. Thanks in advance. - Scott
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#209254 - 10/24/05 07:10 PM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Originally posted by Scottyee: I believe what DNJ is asking here about Music Finder, is whether the 'OTS LINK' button turns on (lights up) automatically when you first open Music Finder, as this is what happens on the Tyros1 and the PSR3000.
I have to concur with DNJ that, at least on my Tyros1, though it's possible to simply turn OFF the 'OTS LINK' button right after launching the MusicFinder Window, whenever I leave MusicFinder, to go to the MAIN Window (to check settings), and then return to MusicFinder, the OTS LINK button goes back to 'on' again . I would prefer that the OTS LINK on/off status remained where I set it last, at least until the keyboard is turned off. The question I believe Donny (and myself) ask is whether the MusicFinder's "OTS LINK" button on/off status works this same way with Tyros2 or not.
Now that we're on the subject of the Tyros2 MusicFinder. Tyros2 owners: please confirm if it's possible to call up via MusicFinder, custom styles located only on the Tyros Hard Drive and/or USB Memory Stick. Thanks in advance. - Scott
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#209256 - 10/25/05 02:31 AM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 02/23/01
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Loc: Rome - Italy
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Asena, the T2 user manual does not mention which samples are compatible with the internal memory; however, I have read in the Internet that Akai samples should load without problems (not so sure about Roland, though). My past experience with the 9000 pro has been that, even if you send an Akai sample from your PC to the keyboard, the 9000 pro had problems to recognize things like the loop points, so I had to set them all over again inside the keyboard. My guess is that we will be better off purchasing samples from Yamaha or third party companies, like it happens with the Motif (check the Motifator site for a list of really excellent samples). Lou, I would LOVE to record something from Enya; even if she is irish, I think that her music is perfect to convey a vision of northern landscapes, full of peace and silence. However, there are many problems: first of all, I don't think that I could be do that in arranger mode: it should be a multitrack recording instead. Second, I should sort out all the parts (I haven't ever done a search for her music on the net); third, there is the problem of the sounds: for her music she uses a lot of analog synths, like the Roland Juno; I think that I could come up with something convincing for the pads and the strings, but the most difficult part (almost impossible) would be choosing a sound to replicate her beautiful voice: any ideas?
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#209263 - 10/25/05 05:35 PM
Re: Tyros 2 is in the house.
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Originally posted by nielshs: What more do you need?
Get Roland to fix the G70 problems, as reported by N9FAL, when he auditioned & played it with "OS version 2.0" installed (see below): Originally posted by N9FAL: I play live. No midi files. I want to be able to sit down and play right away, no tweeking, minimal button pushing. My expectations are high quality sounds and styles.The sounds were for the most part, FLAT. On OS 2, still too much reverberation on the voices. The salesman and I couldn't figure out how to adjust this. Compared to the PA1X, the voices did not have the clarity, the punch, the crispness. Some of the voices almost sounded muffled. Wow! N9FAL's impressions are the same I had when auditioning a G70 with version 1.4. Doesn't sound (to me) like 2.0 corrected ANYTHING I complained about with 1.4. OK Neishs: I acknowledge that the country song you played & recorded LIVE (with your singing) on your G70 sounded pretty good, so I'm confused. Was that played & recorded in 'auto accomp' mode pretty much out of the box (G70 factory settings, & with no sound tweaking), or did you spend a lot of time tweaking the sounds to get it to sound that way? Btw, perhaps you can provide a link to your G70 song again so we can have another listen. Scott
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