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#213414 - 03/19/03 09:08 AM Creating a CD
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I'm in the process of making my first CD. However, when I burn it. It will play on a computer. It will play on a car stereo. It will play on my Portaable CD radio. But it will not play in a DVD. Is thier some encoding I'm missing with my burner program??
Thanks,

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#213415 - 03/19/03 09:47 AM Re: Creating a CD
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Do after burning the CD you closed it?
I have the same problem.

Armando
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#213416 - 03/19/03 09:52 AM Re: Creating a CD
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Some CD/DVD players do not read burned CDs or CDRWs.
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#213417 - 03/19/03 11:03 AM Re: Creating a CD
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I closed the session. It just won't play on DVD machines. My friend tried it on his DVD player and it would not read. Thier must some type of encoding... Store bought cd's will play fine in these DVD players.

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#213418 - 03/19/03 12:27 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Beachbum,
CDs and DVDs are two, totally different medias. It's almost the same as trying to play a video tape with a CD player--it just won't work. If you want to make a DVD, you'll need a DVD burner, but they will not play in a CD player.

Cheers,

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#213419 - 03/19/03 12:43 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Yo Beachbum,

Give this site a try:

http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdplayers

It is suppose to be a list of current DVD players and their compatibility based on user reports.

Don't know how accurate that will be but it might give you a place to start.

Found another interesting link:

http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#2.4.3


mike

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#213420 - 03/19/03 12:44 PM Re: Creating a CD
beachbum Offline
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It is a DVD player that also play's CD's. It will play any commercial music cd. But will not play my burned cd. I still think I'm missing something on the encoding... I'm not the village idot here, although I may place. If it was just a DVD player I think I could have figured out it won't play CD's but it plays all commercial music CD's fine. What am I missing here???
Thanks again.

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#213421 - 03/19/03 12:45 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Welcome to the world of home studios, and the pitfalls. The reason that store-bought CD's work on DVD and older CD players is because they have been "glass-mastered" by companies that mass-produce CD's. If you want to mass-duplicate your CD, there are plenty of companies that can master your CD for you so it will play on DVD and older CD players. In fact, having your CD mass-produced is often the cheapest and easiest route to go. It takes a lot of time, money and materials to mass-produce CD's at home.

Your only alternative is to go ahead and make/sell CDR's and either put something on the labeling that tells people that your CDR will only play on "CDR-compatible" players or you can put a little note inside of each CD that tells people where to return your CDR for a full refund if they are not satisfied with their purchase. CDR's play on most CD players and some DVD players, but usually they have to say "CDR-compatible".
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#213422 - 03/19/03 12:51 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Thanks Guys, (PRO) (msutliff)
That's what I wanted know...
Good job!
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#213423 - 03/19/03 01:14 PM Re: Creating a CD
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My DVD only read some brands of CD.
I don't know why, and nobody could tell me why it happens.

Armando
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#213424 - 03/19/03 01:49 PM Re: Creating a CD
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The way it's been explained to me is that the reflectivity on a home recorded CD-R cannot be read by the laser on some machines. It has something to do with the sensitivity of either the CD surface, the laser, or both. I recently bought a DVD player at Best Buy---a Panasonic, model 32 (I think). It cost a little over a hundred bucks and plays everything. I took one of my CD-Rs with me and tried them on each machine on the shelf. On most, the screen would read "no disk". The Panasonic worked fine and has played everything I've thrown at it.

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#213425 - 03/19/03 04:24 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Have you ever used this site. http://www.mixonic.com/?source=overture
I'm just making some up for demo's friends and family. This looks a neat site.

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#213426 - 03/19/03 04:47 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Yes, there are combination DVD players that can also read CDs. I've made about a dozen albums during the past year, and about 10 copies of each, totaling about 120 CDs. All were burned using Adaptec CD Creater, and out of all of those CDs, I only had one person that said she could not get it to play. Turns out she was using a standard DVD player to try and play the CD. When she put the same CD in her car stereo, it played just fine.

There is one thing, however. When my main computer crashed and I used my back-up computer, it did not have Adaptec, but instead had Nero-Burn. It's a good program, but somewhat complicated to work with--especially when it came to finalizing the CD. If the CD is not finalized (closed), you can usually play it in your computer's CD burner, but when you place it into a standard player, it says there is nothing there.


BTW, if you would like some tips on recording directly from your keyboard to your computer and then burning a CD, go to http://psrtutorial.com/Lessons/L_Recording/LPR-MakeCD/lpr-makecd.htm

Hope this is of some help,

Gary

[This message has been edited by travlin'easy (edited 03-19-2003).]
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#213427 - 03/19/03 06:12 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Gary,
How do you think I made my CD? I took your advice and used goldwave. Recording from my keyboard to the mixer while adding vocals in one shot. I wish I was ambitious enough to try doing programs with separate tracks, however, I like to do it all in one shot. The only thing I'm doing different now is recording the piece 3 times. And if their is a place I go a bit flat during the song I cut and paste out one of the others that is good. I find I can get a very nice recording this way. And I'll probably use http://www.mixonic.com/?source=overture
To make copies of the CD and for label making...
Thanks,


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#213428 - 03/19/03 06:55 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Gary , I have a RCA DVD player that also reads CD, and MP3's.CDRW amd CDR formats. It will also show titles up to 7 letters..
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#213429 - 03/19/03 07:03 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Sounds like a nice rig Fran--where did you buy it, and if I'm not being to personal, how much did it cost? My wife has been on my case for a year to buy a DVD player that can also play cds. Who knows, you could be the salvation of my marital status.

Thanks,

Gary
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#213430 - 03/19/03 07:58 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Looks like a heavy hit from www.mixonic.com/?source=overture to produce just a few CDs. Additionally, they didn't say if the price including mailing costs.

I've been paying $19.95/100 CDRs at BJ's Wholesale Club, and about the same price for slim-line jewel cases. Labels averaged about $10/100 and I print them using Adaptec Easy CD Creator, which is the same program that I use to burn the CDs. When you consider the cost of the ink for the printer, it probably works out to about $1 per CD to make them yourself. Ironically, it cost about $1 per CD to mail the damn things to potential clients, but it's well worth the expense.

If there's anything I can do to help you get this project underway, I'll be more than willing to assist you in meeting that goal.

Cheers,

Gary
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#213431 - 03/19/03 08:27 PM Re: Creating a CD
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Gary, it was a Father's day present from my youngest daughter..It is a RCA and I think it sold in the $250-$300 range

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#213432 - 03/20/03 03:39 AM Re: Creating a CD
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Gary,
I suggest that you stay away from stick on lables too. They get stuck in many changers that don't have a top load design. My car has specific warnings about just such media. Send them to a print house, or look into buying a printer yourself. I've seen great results from a unit that was about $2000. It prints right on the CD .... much more professional and durable.
The exessive heat generated by some CD players can melt the glue and wrincle a stick on lable ..... making the CD wobble at a funny angle as it spins. Beware of low cost options. They sometimes can be harmful.
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#213433 - 03/20/03 04:53 AM Re: Creating a CD
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Thanks Fran for the info--maybe the woman will keep me after all.

Dave, I haven't experienced any problems using memorex labels, but I have heard of some that have melted the adhesive and jammed up the CD player. I keep that in mind about the high end printer, especialy if I begin marketing my CDs. That would be a good option and I'm sure the quality of the labeling would improve dramatically when printing on a smoother surface.

Thanks again guys for your help,

Gary
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#213434 - 03/20/03 06:07 AM Re: Creating a CD
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I am currently selling three different CDR's at my gigs - a contemporary album, a "standards" album and a Christmas album. I plan on expanding the offerings to as many as ten albums this year. I have setup a home manufacturing operation that includes a color laser printer for the inserts, an inkjet printer for printing directly onto the CDR's, a fairly high-speed duplication process (about four minutes per), and shrink-wrapping. Including royalties paid for the rights to record the cover songs (10 songs per album or 80 cents per CD in royalties), the albums cost me about $2.00 each to produce. They are excellent quality and very unique: each CDR has my logo, copyright and website address "tatooed" into the data side of the CDR. The CDR's print-on front label has a "pearlescent quality" to it, and once printed the label is permanent and water-proof. I use Verbatim Azu Blue CDR's, which are a premium CDR that are supposed to last longer than regular CDR's (the blue finish helps to highlight the "T@2" or tatoo). I also produce "business card" demo CDR's that hold a five minute demo targeted at specific markets (jazz demo, wedding demo, party demo).

Incidently - I do get returns on CDR's that won't play on some players. I put a slip of paper inside of each CD telling the customer that they have purchased an album that is meant for CDR-compatible players and if not satisfied for any reason they can return it for full refund and I provide a shipping address. Very few come back but considering the quantity of albums I intend to produce, home manufacturing was my best option.

So here we go with the url's:

My supplies comes from either http://www.cdrom2go.com/ http://www.warehouse.com/

The printer is an inexpensive EZ/CD Printer which has worked great for me: http://www.ezcdprinter.com/

The CD recorder is awesome: http://www.yamahamultimedia.com/yec/products/cdrw/crwf1.asp

Shrink-wrapping supplies: http://www.markertek.com/

On-line royalty payments & song info: http://www.songfile.com/
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#213435 - 03/20/03 12:09 PM Re: Creating a CD
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That's a great price on the printer--gotta get one of those next week. Thanks for all of the other tips and information.

Cheers,

Gary
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