I fail to see why a kb can't serve amateurs and playing pros both if it is designed properly.

The more physical sliders and knobs, the stronger the board has to be made, which means the heavier it becomes, so unless you can find a cheap way to make boards out of Carbon Composites or Titanium, (Add about 5 times the cost of a typical Tyros 2 if you want your board made from those materials) then there is no way that the board you require could be made light enough for your 30 lb weight requirement

Bill

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Miami Mo

sorry, i hit send button before i entered reply

abacus,
I play an old Korg is35. came out in '99, list $1500, all plastic, very strong and solid. has sequencer, vocal processor, speakers, lots of buttons and a few sliders, knobs, great easy navigation, just not up to today's standard re sounds/styles. weighs 28.5 lbs. what are you talking about? are you an engineer?



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Miami Mo

Mo,

Most of my comments were not aimed at you, but instead Chas, who apparently looks down upon us lowly entertainers, categorizing most forum members as "Amateurs."

AS for the old sliders and standard pot-type volume controls, I have lots of experience both installing and repairing electronic devices using both types. Because of their electro-mechanical design characteristics, then rapidly deteriorate, especially those that were not sealed.

I won't go into the marketing aspect, and I surely don't want to turn this into another pissing contest.

Cheers,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

I am no entertainer,more of a player,and although I have not used arranger keyboards extensively,I am planning to. Just for the sake of creating music. If I get an idea and want to arrange a piece quickly ,rather than sitting down hours to program a drum track,I suspect that the arranger stuff would come in very usefully...the drum trak is already there,at least a good approximation of all the instruments,and they can be edited fully.

I can't wait to get my used Yamaha QY700 in a few days...the reasons above are exactly why I have bought it. But it's a shame that Roland does not do desktop versions of these powerful arranger keyboards: the keys of these keyboards often put me off.

Given the elevated cost of any keyboard workstation with hammer action keys, desktop versions make a lot of sense because then one can simply add a good master keyboard,whether hammer action or semi-weighted etc.

That's why I am going for the Yamaha QY700,although it's rather outdated in matter of sounds and even functionality,compared to even keyboards like the Roland E-50.
Let alone arranger keyboards like the G-70 !

Arranger keyboards now came a VERY long way!



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been playing korg is35 6 yrs, technics kn2600 2 yrs,
never had an electromechanical problem w/either. there
are solutions..and hey, aren't all the mfrs now starting to
feature some real-time knobs on their workstations (even lo-enders!) to jack up sales? gee, there is market for that, isn't there, all you marketing experts out there.

Yamaha makes the ypg series..amazingly good for the price, but just barely an arranger. they could take their
76-key job, light as a feather, which sells for $399, put in the excellent live!grand they have in the ypg 88's..it has fantastic elec piano sounds..upgrade some of the other sounds, upgrade styles, put in l/r outputs in additon to headphone out..have a mic input w/vol control, add dedicated transpose, fade- out, and variations/fills, have
a vol ped input, a few other arranger-style things, and voila, charge double..charge $800..and you have a great
players kb...

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Miami Mo

Oh, the WRITTTEN word. I was taught that the written word must be exact to escape misinterpretation.

I feel sorry for Chas because, even though I think he said what he believes, I don't think he means exactly what he wrote. And i don't feel he MEANT to be condesending. I notice he hasn't replied to defend himself, so maybe I'm off the mark here. But, maybe he meant to say that 'players' want to play and not be burdened with the arranger 'thing.' Not to say arranger players can't be 'real players' too, but the music itself could (should?) stand alone if played a certain way. So as not to dig myself into a hole, I will quit here. I'm in no way a fantastic musician, but many times I prefer to just play the keyboard (piano organ?); does that make me a 'player'?

Because PLAYERS don't use arranger keyboards; entertainers (which is what OMB's are) and home players (usually amateurs) do.

Most of my comments were not aimed at you, but instead Chas, who apparently looks down upon us lowly entertainers, categorizing most forum members as "Amateurs."
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I can't see where Chas categorizes most forum members as amateurs or looks down on them. It's pretty obvious that he means home players in the sense that they're not professional players. I am sure that even Chas knows that there are a lot of home players (amateurs) that outplay many professionals. There really isn't anything insulting in his post.

Chas, I hope that you'll find what you're looking for.

Peace!

why has this thread become about a remark by chas and not about the topic?