first of all know this-rule of thumb-
"BUYING THE WRONG PA COULD BE ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE MISTAKES OF YOUR LIFE."

if you have 100$ go for logitech.you can't get near flat FQ with sub for that price.yes it's made for home use but 200w rms and sound is OK (though mid range lacks) for KB only gigs with 50-70 people.you can't get better than it for the price.bass can be more than you want so you need over all EQ from the mixer.it's not for band music so one shouldnt compare it to a full blown pro PA.but it does great(for the price) for above use.

dont buy nady or kustom.they simply are (mostly) crap.

I also recommand Alesis 6 ch mixer(79$)which has efx.so no cables,seperate efx box,less set up time.under 150$ you'll have more options.

the better option than stand alone KB amps is
mixer with EFX and power speakers.that's the way to go.pwr speaker becomes your monitor when you update your system.

cheap,reasonable sound,heavy,loud for price- http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/600596/

and better and lighter http://www.zzounds.com/item--PEVPR110P http://www.zzounds.com/item--PEVPR112P http://www.zzounds.com/item--PEVPR115P

if your bdj is 350 t0 500$
http://www.carvin.com/products/single.php?ItemNumber=P410-805&CID=SYS1 - now 350$,has titanium drivers,mixer has both ch and graphic EQ,
beat the hell out of custom/nady which are mostly piezo crap(esply the cheap ones)
http://www.carvin.com/products/single.php?ItemNumber=P620-805&CID=SYS1
http://www.carvin.com/products/single.php?ItemNumber=P620-1230&CID=SYS1

if you want louder,cheaper
pwr mixer+speaker route like this http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/631250/ http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/601372/ http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/601374/


but if you really want to have a good sound for the price,portable,great resale value and industry standard for medium grade live sound
have a mixer with efx and http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/600202/
and louder and more expensive http://www.zzounds.com/item--JBLEON15G2


or cheap ,but heavy for watt/weight ratio http://www.zzounds.com/item--JBLEON15P

go to wanted to buy and sell forum.UD is selling them for 250$ I think.good price.

if you have more http://www.musiciansbuy.com/live_sound_speaker_cabinets_yorkville_yorkville_elit e_powered.html

the list goes on.



[This message has been edited by jamman (edited 01-03-2005).]

What I would say to Sharp in response to his tirades against Logitech systems is that most reasonable people would take the view that what really matters is not what things were originally designed for but whether they do the job that YOU want them to do.

I have more powerful amps and speakers which I have used in the past but for the last six months or so have used the Z2200's on all but one gig and like so many others on this forum have had nothing but positive comments from my audiences and most importantly the people who pay me.

AND, I don't work for Logitech nor, I am sure, do any other of the forum members who have found the Z2200 and other similar systems a joy to use.I would only add that a mixer is really needed to get the best results. I use an Alesis. I would just conclude by saying that anyone who spends silly sums of money to buy something for it's name when much less expensive kit will do the job just as well must have more money than sense.

Happy new year everyone
Trevor

Jamman, thanks for the heads up on different setups, however like stated before, 150 bucks is about it, maybe 20 bucks more tops.

I dont think I stated this before and would make a difference is that im in a 5 piece band and everyone else has larger setups, making me practically in audible with a system such as the logitech.

Thanks,

Phil

[This message has been edited by Pennywizz6 (edited 01-03-2005).]

The Logitech will not hold it's own in a 5 pc band. It CAN, however provide smooth response in a solo effort, as some members here have discovered. I often do not need much more than the on board speakers to satify some of my clients in smaller settings, like society cocktail parties and house parties. It all depends on the application. Just adding a sub can make all the difference in the world, so the to tiny tops just add to the mix.

After reading everyones opinion I must say that as with every post that I have come across in the past, everyone has different opinions. I never tried the Logitechs speakers but I do have the Klipse which are 400 watts and have actual tweeters. I'm sorry but Logitech speakers? Please! You guys must be playing at Old Folks homes to say that these speakers are what most of you use. For practice at home I would say yes but to play out, absolutely not. Are there no standards for professionals anymore?

Well, There's arrogance for you..........

Trevor, are you saying synth guy is arrogant?... If so your mistaken, he is merely expressing his opinions on that particular system, granted he has never tried them, but he does show a point.

BTW, ordered my setup, should be here soon!

Phil

[This message has been edited by Pennywizz6 (edited 01-03-2005).]

Arrogance? Maybe the last sentence, but I think he's right.
I also think it depends on what kind of gigs you do. I could never get away with the Logitechs for most of my jobs. Dance music,and people want to feel the thump.
But for table music they're ok.

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Roy-Andrè

[This message has been edited by royandreno (edited 01-03-2005).]

Have you noticed that the guys who are knocking the Logitechs are the ones who haven't tried them? It was long thought that the earth was flat until somebody decided to check it out a little further.
I have two of the finest powered speakers available, the Barbetta Sona 32Cs, yet for many of the small jobs I used the Logitech Z2200. If I don't sound good, I don't work, and my family has to move out of our home on the golf course, and the kids have to drop out of school and get jobs. . . well perhaps that's stretching it, but you get the idea. I don't have to use the Logitechs because I can't afford anything better. Neither does Gary or any of the guys who use them.
They are certainly not suitable for many large jobs, or for a 5-piece band, but that are great for certain circumstances.
DonM

I again have enjoyed the pissing contest, thanks for the lift.