From the Clavinova Brochure "Natural voices use a huge amount of memory to assure incredibly faithful reproduction of instrument sounds."

So are the Clavinova "natural" voices the same as the Tyros "Mega" voices? BTW, the CVP-209 has 37, the CVP-207 has 22, the CVP-205 and CVP-203 have 21, and the CVP-201 has none. I thought the Tyros had 10. Anyway, if they are the same thing, then there is a way for people to audition the sounds without a Tyros around.

Cliff ,
Yamaha does say that the TYRO's is in part like the CVP209 . I say this for people trying to listen for the new technology via the Clavinova . Find a CVP209 basically .

Also ....Many of the TYRO's styles are from past PSR keyboards . They have added grooves + dynamics to the TYRO's styles .
I did find some very nice improved styles on the Tyro's . Funk , HipHop , Gospel to name a few .

dano

PS..better UD ?

[This message has been edited by DanO1 (edited 09-07-2002).]

DanO ... what will you ever do if Ketron goes out of business? You have a one-sided view of how the world compares to Ketron products, and that's not very objective in the retail world.

You're a great guy and have been very good to me, but that's because I always know what I want before we do business.
I hate to sound like I'm picking on you, but as a retailer, don't you think you should offer good, objective advice in ALL areas so your customers can make their own minds up? There are LOTS of really great products out there and each has strengths that the others do not. You are painting yourself into a corner by singing the "SD1" anthem all the time, because if it slips in popularity, you won't be able to sell anything else!
Please take all this with a light heart ... I'm you pal. I just think you need to represent all things as they are, and not how the rate next to the almighty SD1.
I thought the SD1 had far too many drawbacks for me to keep it, as well as the XD9. Does that mean that I have no other choices?
Potential buyers need to have clear advice about all the options, and should not be made to feel that ONLY this one product is acceptable, and everything else is a compromise.

I love yaman, I do - but you gotta diversify a little. No one will trust your opinions if all you do is pushthe Ketron line. You work for Piano Man, NOT Ketron. Ketron is actually a client of YOUR'S. Don't be a one trick pony .... there's lots af great choices for everyone to pick from. Let's all try to help make the choices easier by informed, unbiased advice.

Remember folks ... I bought Three kb's from this man (five really - one return and one exchange) - I'm NOT unhappy at all. Just offering some friendly advice to a great guy.

I have the new Yamaha PF1000 in my store and I've investigated Yamaha's "natural" voices with people at Yamaha. "Natural"voices is it's own chip inside the clavinova or PF1000. Polyphony is it's own 64 voices and the sample process is a combination of three different types: Stereo sampling, sustain sampling, and note off sampling. Yamaha has "natural" sounds in the catagories of Piano and Keyboard but not in Guitars, Brass, etc. In the Clavinova products, 32 voices or 64 voice polyphony is for the styles and 64 polypony is for the Panel and Natural sounds. In the PSR9000, 9000pro, TYROS, the polyphony is totally dynamicaly allocated so you can use all sounds for all the keyboard parts. I just went over this with a friend at Yamaha the other day. I hope I am explaining this ok.
George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California

natural voices are not the same as mega voices. The 10 mega voices have multiple samples that are used to best effect when pre-programmed in the preset backings. You cannot play the mega voices live in exactly the same way, according to the information from the Yamaha designers, though they may well be better to play anyway.

UD ...I edited my original post .

I did have a chance to play the TYRO's . So ...it's not like I am talking without even playing it . I certainly do appreciate your point of view .

Piano Man is a General Music , Kawai, Technics , some Roland and Motion Sound dealer .

dano





[This message has been edited by DanO1 (edited 09-07-2002).]

Ok, then,

Does the Tyros have "Natural!" voices?

not according to the spec: - mega, cool, sweet, live, if these actually mean much - I just listen and see what I like

DanO - I know you're just super excited about a product that really lit your fire. I'm glad you're not put off by my comments. I did not mean to offend you in any way. Just passin' some thoughts along.

Keep on sellin' !

I'm sure it must have "natural" voices too. I think the mega, sweet and live were just added features in the specs.
Terry