my comment would be don't believe too many other peoples subjective opinions you read on forums and go and play, listen and decide for yourself

I'm lucky to have had a 7000 at home to compare with 6500, but so far only ran my fingers over a tyros in a hotel lobby with people hubbub around. It will be around another week before we get a tyros, and probably October before I can take one home to compare with pro, so reserve judgement until had chance for a fair comparison.

technics,
So what do you interpret these as being?

Would this mean they are normal or natural sounds?
1,065 preset sounds, 36 drum kits, 2 digital drawbars, 40 sound memories, 1 user drum kit
Terry

Technicsplayer,

Thanks for the reply, I agree that it's tough to compare to completely different brands like Yamaha and Technics.
I currently have the KN6500, can you tell me if there have been any "noticable" improvements in the samples and styles for the KN7000, particularly the drums?
At the end of the day, it's the sound quality that counts. The storage technology upgrades are great, but that's not why I would by a Keyboard.
Also, can you tell me if the improvements in sound quality is due to the new speakers or the internal sounds? the reason I ask, is because I typically have to use my own speakers so I wouldn't benefit from the better internal speakers.
I would love to check it out myself, but the closest dealer is 2 hours away and I'd have to take a day off from work to go and see it, assuming he has one on display, which might not happen for a couple of weeks. So, I'd like to know if it's worth the trip.

Thanks.

they are normal voices apart from those specified as cool, sweet or live, see http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/004393.html for confirmation.

7000 has 9 live drum kits where the sympathetic resonance of the entire kit is recorded, including a couple of nice brush kits. All sounds are better through the internal speakers since these are improved, whether they are better though external speakers will depend on the external speakers I suppose. You may need pretty good PA speakers to hear the subtleties.

Technic,
I read that and I guess I don't understand the terminology here.

I interpret normal or natural to mean....a voice that does not fall under the sweet or mega or live in this case ie., this is our harmonica sound that isn't sweet, live or mega. If that is the case.....then there would have to be normal or natural or standard sounds on the Tyros....because they are different from previous PSR's, I do not think that makes them mega, live or sweet.There is apparently a limited number of those types of voices on the Tyros.
So if all of the above is true.....then what are we to call the voices that do not fall into the sweet, mega or live catagories?
I don't think George's post (through Mark)helped to clear that up at all....the harmonica he mentioned has to fall into being called something, which I would assume is a "normal" Tyros sound.
Terry

Technicsplayer,

Just on more question on this topic, if you don't mind.

Have they changed a lot of the styles for the KN7000 vs. the KN6500, or have they added new ones, or both?

trtjazz, normal is normal and natural is natural, these are two different terms used by Yamaha to signify two different things on different sets of products. George's post specifically states that "Natural voices are not used in TYROS", exactly what I've been saying all along. If this is not clear by this stage, I guess it never will be.


Steve, if you are familiar with the styles change from 5000 to 6000, and particularly the new styles on 6500, then 6500 to 7000 is a similar sort of jump. I would guess somewhere in the region of 40% of 6500 or 50% of 6000 are new or reworked with new voices or detail patterns with more independant major and minor intros and endings etc. I would certainly try to audition if considering spending this sort of money

Technics,
Thanks that wasn't any help at all. but I suppose it seems you're coming from a technics is great and everything else sucks point of view.
I was asking for help in understanding what it is that is meant by the terms as applied here.
Apparantly my explanation of what a normal or natural voice is as I understand it to be, either is incorrect, or you're not quite sure what the term means either, as applied here.

I looked on Yammy's site at the 9000,2000 &1000 and I did not see where they used those terms to explain their voice, either in the paragraphs about sounds or the specs.

The helpful answer is.....normal is a voice that......has this, or doesn't have this.
Terry

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Thanks technicsplayer.

I may go and check it out tomorrow. The financial markets open late and close early tomorrow.

The helpful answer has already been given by me way up the thread. Quote " Yamaha imply natural means extra long samples, or maybe more samples per voice." If natural have extra long samples, then it follows that normal must have normal samples i.e. less memory allocated. Particularly if natural are specifically promoted for high end Clavinova in the numbers quoted in the first post, and the non-cool, non-sweet, non-live, non-mega voices on 9000 and tyros are not promoted as natural but specifically called normal instead by Yamaha themselves.

As to bias on my part, none of my statements show any factual errors, where is the bias? In contrast you persist in assuming natural is the same as normal when Yamaha say there are specific numbers of natural voices on high end Clavinova but no natural voices on 9000 or tyros. Then you tell us that George's post "does not help to clear that up" when George specifically states "Natural voices are not used in TYROS"...