Hi!

I've owned my 9000Pro some weeks now, and I have now an internal harddisk in the keyboard.

Something strange happens: I have chosen the correct path for my styles with the Disk Direct popup-function (a folder with 204 styles in it), but when I choose a registration which use one of these styles (or push the Disk Direct button - the first time after I've turned the power on), it takes 2-3 minutes before I can do anything (except from playing with the instruments selected before) on the keyboard. In this "break", the keyboard locks (Disk In Use lights and I hear sounds from the harddisk), I can't change instruments or anything else. When the keyboard finally finds the style (it finds the right style from the right directory), everything is ok, but, again, it takes 2-3 minutes. Is this normal?

The same thing happens when i push the different Song File Directory buttons (I have registered different folders for each button).

Can anyone tell me if this is normal? Is the harddisk not good enough? (It's quite normal, a standard laptop harddisk, 10 GB).

Have a nice day! :-)


Regards,
Thomas

Thomas...

Accessing Disk Direct the first time after you power up does take a minute or so (I haven't timed it exactly.)

Changing song file directories does not take anywhere near as long, but it does take a little longer than just changing registrations.

I believe what you are experiencing is normal.

Eddie

Hi! :-)

Thank you for helping me out here... :-)

I'm sorry, but I've just timed the happening, and it takes 5 minutes!

Any idea of what this can be?

I think it's quite a long time...


Regards,
Thomas

Thomas...
That does seem unusually long. Suggest you go to www.yahoo-psr-styles and look up Vince Cochran. He knows more about Hard Drives for PSRs than anyone I know. You can also Email him direct at: vince_cochran@psrmidi.fsnet.co.uk
He is in Wales and a heck of a nice guy.
Eddie

Hi Thomas

9K key boards can administer only 8 GB

it 4x 2GB created in HD 00 - HD 01 - HD 02 and HD 03

The fixed disk is in any case too slowly

Attempts times a CHACK DISK

MENU DISK/SCSI

Press button I = CHACK DISK gropes

With key C on |2| HD

With tracers 3 or 4 a partition selects

1x NEXT ONE with PAGE CONTROL

all 4 partitions to check leave.

if that does not help

BACK UP and Save to Disk make

All data protect

Afterwards totally RESETS

DSP(4~7) + SLOW/FAST + EXIT hold down and 9K switch on

Key board becomes completely Initialize
Afterwards Restore and load From disk


BackUp - Restore - Save to Disk - Load from Disk - Instructions as PDF ( English ) here
http://home.a-city.de/robert.mueller/pdf-E.html

9000 Robby




[This message has been edited by 9000 Robby (edited 02-17-2002).]

Hi, Robby! :-)

Guess what...! I tried what you told me, initialized the keyboard, and copied the backup back... The first time (before I turned the keyboard off again to test the changes...) everything was ok, it was fast to change directories and so on... But after restarting the keyboard - when I chose a registration with a harddisk-style - it's all back... 5 minutes is passed now, and the keyboard is still looking for the styles... Strange. Maybe it's something with the harddisk? No, then it shouldn't have worked just before... Hmmm...

Thank you, anyway, I'm going to try your tips once more... :-)

Regards,
Thomas

Hello Thomas

Attempts also times the HD SLEEP TIME on 60min. to place. Press MENU FUNCTION

Press button H = UTILITY

Press NEXT ONE once in PAGE CONTROL = TIME

Press button C on |2| HD SLEEP TIME

Press button 4 or 5 to 30 or 45 or 60 min.

On NEVER one cannot only place USB Interface to whom is inserted
http://www.musitronics.de/info-e/USB-9000-e.html


With exit to the main display Press button A = system Backup

Press button G = backup stored

9000 Robby

[This message has been edited by 9000 Robby (edited 02-18-2002).]

Hi! :-)

I've noticed the following:

Everytime I do a reset (either by holding down the DEMObutton when I'm turning the keyboard on - or holding down the DSP-SlowFast-Exit), the keyboard acts normal. I set up the Disk Direct, and the keyboard finds the content in the folder immidiately.

But then, when I turn off the power - The next time I start the keyboard: When I choose to press the Disk Direct, the harddisk uses 5 minutes!

Does anyone have any explanations for this?


Regards,
Thomas

Hi, everyone! :-)

I've found the following solution to my harddisk problem:

When the keyboard is started up, I don't press the Disk Direct button, but the DIRECT ACCESS - THEN the Disk Direct. Then I choose my folder... Then I can use my styles...

Otherwise, it takes 5 minutes to "load" or something...

But, of course, it is not supposed to be this way, I guess... I don't think the harddisk is the issue, or?

:-)


Regards,
Thomas

Hi Thomas


Why DIRECT ACCESS and then DISK DIRECT?

Press DISK DIRECT

Press button 6 = POP UP

Is a Floppy-Disk in the drive?

Even if can come to delays. But not 3 - 5 min.

Remove your fixed disk nevertheless once and see after whether the Pinn are correctly Put in.

Or be written the designation of your fixed disk.

Or take times Kontackt on with Oliver Schwarz that is which one that the USB interface for K9 invented.

This man knows himself with fixed disks very well out!


musitronics@t-online.de


Good Luck


9000 Robby

Congratulations. That is a very neat solution that will save a lot of time. Thanks for sharing that.
Eddie

Hi, 9000 Robby! :-)

I have verified the pins and all that, it's ok. The harddisk seems fine... But maybe it's the operating system of the keyboard... I have the version 2.01, the latest one (the version 3 is for the 9000).

Well, when I press the DISK DIRECT, I have to wait for 5 minutes until the disk is ready (the disk-in-use starts flashing and so on...), when I press the DIRECT ACCESS - and then press the DISK DIRECT, I'm taken to the correct pop-up-folder on the harddisk, and I press Next to confirm the location... Then I have all the styles on the screen. Then I can press the Disk Direct button as often as I want to (or use the registration buttons), and everything is ok...

The disadvantage of this solution is that I have to do this little routine every time the keyboard starts up. But, if there isn't any other solutions...

Just in case: The problem is with a Fujitsu MHN2100AT harddisk / harddrive (maybe the best English word?), and the device is cleared by the Yamaha of Norway...


Regards,
Thomas

Hi Thomas
I have been following your agony and thought I should throw my two cents worth in.
1. I have an installed 10GB hard disk with 4 2.2 GB particians as per the 9000PRO manual.
2. The hard disk was formatted originally using the 9000PRO operating system (I think version 1.3). I experienced none of your problems regarding access times.
3. Since then, I have upgraded the OS when they became available and am now running the current 2.1(?) version, with no access performance problems.
4. The access times to the hard disk from disk access or pop-up is about 3-5 seconds, consistantly.
5. From my experience with adding hardisks into computers - access performance problems can be attributed to some hardware set up problem or fault. The cable connecting to the hard disk may be faulty, or not connected correctly. The hard disk itself may be faulty. To check these if possible take out the hard disk and cable and install it into a "normal" pc. Running disk tools like nortons etc over the disk would then indentify if theere is a problem and the source of the problem. The disk may actually run properly in the pc. This would then suggest that everything is OK in the disk and cable hardware and perhaps point to the keyboard motherboard or keyboard operating system as the problem. To check that out ask your friendly local dealer / technician to run diagnostics over the keyboard's motherboard.
One other thought - did you format using the 9000PRO operating system format utility, or was the disk already formatted and set up before its installation? I would make sure that the disk was formatted with the standard 9000PRO operating system.
I have heard and read about disks of certain brands and manufactures not operating properly in the 9000PRO. I have not experienced that. Maybe I have been spared the drama. Just recently I took home from work an "old" 2GB SCSI drive to see if the thing would connect through the 9000PRO SCSI port. Blow me down, it did, first up and without a problem, and, with about 3-5 second access time. I now use it to back up my internal hard disk. The point here is that on both my internal hard disk and SCSI disk they were nothing special - just what was availbale at the time. This tells me that the 9000PRO is reasonably tollerant (foregiving) as to which manufacturers hard disk is used. So thus I would not suspect hard disk compatability to be your problem. Usually they work or they don't.
I am sorry for being long winded, and not giving much good news. However I believe from my experience, your problem is abnormal and is also fixable, with the help of your own persistance and some friendly local expertise.
All the best in your struggle,

Jon.

Hi, JonPro! :-)

Thank you! :-)

My harddisk is formatted by the 9000Pro Operating System (v. 2.01, that is - I guess).

I just wonder, do you link the Disk Direct function to a folder on your disk - or not? That's what I do.

And I'm a professional Computer / IT dealer (don't know the English word for it), so the harddisk is normal, I guess. I have checked that out - of different reasons, most because there is nothing wrong with it. (But I wondered if there was...)

Then, again, pressing the Direct Access and then the Disk Direct - and confirming the path to the styles - fixes the problem. I have to do this before I choose a registration in which there is harddisk-styles (or before i press the Disk Direct directly...)...

Thank you for your posting, please tell me more if you have another great ideas! :-)

PS! I'm sorry, but my English is just very, very poor... :-)


Regards,
Thomas

Hi Thomas,
To answer your question - yes I do link a folder to the disk direct function. The OS needs that. That is why all my setups (MDB etc) that require a disk direct style of registration are all in the one directory (folder) so that the system knows where to look. I then index them accordingly so as not to loose the order. The biggest fallback I have found with using disk direct rather than flash ram is that you don't get the OTS in the disk direct - I can appreciate why - loading time during performance etc. so its not an issue. I hope that this sheds a little more light on the topic.
Jon.