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#222197 - 11/29/07 12:00 PM Re: 76 trombones? What about 76-key keyboards
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Sorry buddy...just trying to help.

Korg and Roland seem to be making the only 76'ers...the G70, that you've already had a go with, and the new Korg PA2X Pro.

Pity the G70 wasn't lighter...would have been great for you.

Ian
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#222198 - 11/29/07 12:46 PM Re: 76 trombones? What about 76-key keyboards
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Registered: 06/09/02
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Oh, you just wanted to bitch about the problem and not find a better solution than a heavy 76 note keyboard? OK, sounds good to me. roflmao

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#222199 - 11/29/07 01:19 PM Re: 76 trombones? What about 76-key keyboards
jedi Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
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Hi ,

76 Key`s
Great if you have the room and the need !

61 Key`s
Plenty of work and play space , I would not need more.

Just my opinion

I hope it helps , good luck !

Take care,
Gary 

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#222200 - 11/29/07 01:44 PM Re: 76 trombones? What about 76-key keyboards
Diki Offline


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Posts: 14247
Loc: NW Florida
1 61 note arranger + 1 76 note second keyboard = more than 1 76 'heavy' 76 arranger (especially if you use cases)

More to move, more to set up, more to figure out how to get the two to work seamlessly...

It would be interesting to see how many 61 Yamaha users out there WOULD buy a 76 if they made one.... Are YOU one? 'Fess up...

A 76 PSR using the NP-30 action would weigh maybe 8-10 lb. more than an S900. Still PLENTY light enough for the less 'active' players, IMO
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#222201 - 11/29/07 01:49 PM Re: 76 trombones? What about 76-key keyboards
ianmcnll Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by jedi:

76 Key`s
Great if you have the room and the need !

61 Key`s
Plenty of work and play space , I would not need more.



Ditto.
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#222202 - 11/29/07 01:57 PM Re: 76 trombones? What about 76-key keyboards
jedi Offline
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Loc: Merrimack, N.H.
Hi Diki,

I`m fessing up !!

Aside from my many Hammond's , ALL of my arranger K/B`s have been 61 key , and I found that I would not need more keys to play what I play !!

Have fun !!
Gary 

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#222203 - 11/29/07 02:26 PM Re: 76 trombones? What about 76-key keyboards
cassp Offline
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So do most of you feel that 61 keys is adequate for playing piano parts? I find I usually drop the keyboard an octave for most piano parts.
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#222204 - 11/29/07 02:58 PM Re: 76 trombones? What about 76-key keyboards
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Registered: 06/09/02
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Loc: Pensacola, Florida, USA
I usually play in split mode with the General Preset 1 Right 1 piano an octave lower, Right 2 piano in regular octave and Right 3 strings on the Tyros 2. You could set up Right 1 and 2 like this on your 3000.

This is a quick way to change the range of the piano. If I want to switch between one or the other I press both R1 and R2 together making it only one action instead of 2 seperate pokes at the buttons.

This also is a great octave piano sound with both R1 and R2 on. Much better to me than the single voice octave piano's 1 or 2.

Other than piano the other voices don't really need more that 61 notes, IMHO.

Food for thought.

Scott

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#222205 - 11/29/07 04:06 PM Re: 76 trombones? What about 76-key keyboards
ianmcnll Offline
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
When I gig with the PSR-S900, I am always in accompaniment mode and using styles...61 keys are plenty.

I stopped doing solo piano gigs(no vocals) several years ago, and now focus/specialize strictly on solo arranger(again, no vocals).

I don't use SMF, but if I did, 61 keys would also be fine for me.

If you need/want to play left hand bass, you may want more keys...I prefer the freedom of not having to play LH bass, so again, 61 keys are plenty.

I also prefer the PSR's light action...it maybe a sin to some, but it is me I am trying to please, not them.

Ian
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#222206 - 11/29/07 04:30 PM Re: 76 trombones? What about 76-key keyboards
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14247
Loc: NW Florida
I must confess that if I used an arranger STRICTLY in arranger mode, 61 would do it for me, too (just!), but as they include SMF players, MP3 players etc., it must be admitted that even the manufacturers of these things acknowledge that you are NOT going to be in arranger mode 24/7.

As such, a 61 starts to be a LOT more restrictive, limiting your ability to play full piano parts (if they are going to include a great piano sample, why not give us a keyboard you can USE it on?) and restricting the range of splits and LH bass sections.

So it all boils down to... do you ever play using SMFs? Do you ever play LH bass? Do you (or CAN you) play piano? If you answer yes to any of these, a 76 can be a better tool for all around use.

Sure, you CAN play on a 61, heck, you can play much smaller (I have a lot of fun with a KX-5 remoter controller, but wouldn't dream of using it instead of my G70 on a solo gig!), but at what point does the lack of range start to restrict you, and is the extra weight and size too much bother?

FAR too many choosing convenience over function, IMO...

Maybe if you CAN'T play the piano, fine. But if you can, you are shortchanging yourself (and your audience), the music, and all possibility of improving your pianism by opting for a tiny keyboard that can't be used for full piano playing. Heck, even 76 is a compromise...

Isn't it about time we started thinking more about making music well, and less about shaving a few pounds off of keyboards that are already featherweights compared to 20 years ago?
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