Well, maybe frankieve could pass along THOSE sentiments, Donny. And then, best of luck if you have a problem.

I realize you come from having had Yamaha's for quite a while (despite the last year or so of Ketron, then Korg, and are no doubt accustomed to their complete and total ignoring of the customer requests. Possibly this is where your attitude comes from. But I can assure you that, despite your bitterness towards them, the manufacturers (at least, other than Yamaha) DO listen, and DO respond. A LOT more frequently than you make out.

There are at least FOUR 'features' or improvements to features that have come from Roland listening just to me alone (nowhere else were any of the suggestions posted at the old G70 site), and MANY of our member requests were rolled into the last two MAJOR OS upgrades. They DO listen...

You might also take a look at the history of OS upgrades to the PA1X/PRO series over the last few years. Many bugs were squashed, many new features added, including the brand new Guitar Mode. So it seems fair to assume that when they ask for user feedback (even if only via a dealer), they actually DO want it.

Just because Yamaha turn a deaf ear to their users does NOT mean the rest are the same.

But, never mind. Remain bitter and defeated. Let OTHERS shape the direction of any OS improvements to YOUR arranger. Just, don't let us hear you complain when future OS upgrades don't address any of your issues (we know you SAY the PA800 is perfect - but you said that of every other arranger during the 'honeymoon' period!) that you will talk about after you buy your NEXT arranger (which will have probably at least SIX fills).

Despite HATING the industry that makes it

Just keep saying to yourself, Donny;

It's not a Yamaha any more....
It's not a Yamaha any more....
It's not a Yamaha any more....
It's not a Yamaha any more....

Frank, another suggestion for the Korg techies...
Can they please PLEASE allow you to enter scrolling markers with a text file.
At the moment you are still limited to page changing only via a footpedal or assignable button...Roland and Ketron can both scroll text files with the MIDI as its playing.

And I re-iterate on another one, get the opertaing system to recognise word .doc files, at least then the Korg will allow lyrics files to have spaces where you want, which would enable the placing of chord symbols ( ie C7, Bbmaj7, etc etc) above the lyric line.
At present if you do that in a text file, when its imported it simply squahes them all together at the start of the line .

As i said apart from that, i'ts probably a very complete keyboard.
Thanks
Dennis

Diki......

At this time the PA800 IS perfect FOR ME....
it does all I need to work & enjoy.....
why shouldn't I praise it as such FOR ME!

NO matter what anyone comes out with it will never be enough for ALL peoples needs....there will always be complaints....& wish lists.

what & how I use an arranger FOR ME might be very different from the next guy...what you think is the greatest thing that needs to be implemented may NOT be what myself or the next persons cup of tea....or ever uses like many of the useless features I don’t use but the next guy does.

as for the business practices of these companies, there's always an underlying motive & that's MONEY no way around it, believe what you want, it is, what it is plain & simple.

as for Yamaha I enjoyed my time with their units, made a living with them performing , But I always had to settle for workarounds for my needed features, made them work in some form navigationally, but with the Korg Pa800 almost all of the workarounds are now a thing of the past FOR ME....and that makes me happy, & that’s why its Perfect
FOR ME......
oh excuse me, did I say "FOR ME" again?

Oh, excuse me.... Did you say 'AT THIS TIME' again???

Wouldn't it be nice to say, in the future, that, because of the improvements to the OS that you helped guide, it is STILL perfect. 'for ME' 'at THIS time' too??

Rather than have to go out and give up your hard earned money to an industry that you loathe for yet another arranger?

And your main complaint? That improvements are incremental, at best...

One can imagine you listening to someone criticize YOUR act by going 'Well, he's only added a few more songs to his repertoire, rather than completely re-doing it from scratch every time... It's all about the money, and doing as little for it as possible!'

YOU know your audience wants to hear a lot of the same songs over and over. Must be tough to listen to someone criticize you for not completely reinventing yourself every time you play... Or is that just arranger manufacturers' responsibility?

OK OK I'll call Korg & aske them to make the Pa800 in RED too

Fran,
The 4 effects blocs are available during vox harmony. It was misleading at first, but the TC unit has it's own effects.

* ability to tweak from a computer GUI would be nice specially when you edit voices. But don't leave the Mac users out.

* I also miss YAMAHA's way of muting the auto accompaniment by pressing three adjacent keys on LHS. That's a nice feature I think.

* I also find 4 STS per style insufficient sometimes.

* voices switching as soon as the button is pressed (while playing) is sometimes a problem. If the voice change from the next note you press, that would be more convenient. This becomes particularly problematic when you need to press a fill, change the STS, and change the chord at the same beat. (fills have to be pressed exactly at the beat on KORGs to sound good)

* not being able to do tempo changes while programing styles is really inconvenient when you have an ending that slows down to rest. You have to painstakingly drag the MIDI notes to emulate the slowdown which is really cumbersome.

* Inability to have pitch bend on percussion tracks is also limiting when programming some hand drums. There's no way to emulate a strike immediately followed by a slide.

* Though KORG's way of switching from variation to fill is not as smooth as YAMAHA's, it does come handy sometimes. It could be more useful if one can switch between the tow modes of behavior and set the mode per each fill within the style setting.

* I don't know if it has improved in PA800, but on PA80, the break is useless. It should have more than bass drum and cymbal.

* 'Hold' assigned to the pedal is sometimes useful, but some other times a sustain with a decay is more useful. Maybe fast switching between these modes or assigning this in the voice/STS/etc. setting would help.

Thanks
Shiral

It's great that korg have asked for your comments .
I agree with jerry Trecoce , produce an arranger module (they used to make them a few years ago )
Must be fully midi compatable for use with midi accordions .
Size smaller than the Gem XP and the latest Ketron expander far to big )
Friendly logical O.S
Floppy Drive . USb terminals 2 (as the tyros )
Music finder lists
Right 1, Right2, Right3 (as Tyros)
Flip up / screen as (tyros)
Hard drive
most important fully range of song specific styles i.e Proper Glenn miller styles with all the correct intros, endings !! as per the styles produced by Technics !!!
good choir and female soprano opera singer voice (as per the Technics KN7000) never heard anything as good as this Technics feature .
Wav import of sounds
Top class organ sounds ( from Jazz to the mighty wurlitzer sound of the Blackpool tower ballroom organ !!
Sound technology in the Uk have proper sampled sounds from the Blackpool theatre organ ,and have produced them for the Yamaha T2 and they sound so real and life like it is unbelieveable !!

ability to work with EMc style conversion Software to convert Technics styles to Korg accurately with out having to spend hours tweaking the styles to sound right !!!
Plus all the usual things that you would expect a leading manufacturer to include on the products .

Regards to you all ........Giovanni

Hi Giovanni
I am afraid that sound samples of the Blackpool Wurlitzer are copyrighted and only 1 manufacture has the rights to them. The previous Blackpool Wurlitzer samples provided by Total Transformation Technology have pretty much vanished, as they do not have the rights to them. (According to reports? the Tower Team discarded the samples as not being of good enough quality, and they were later picked up by TTT)
Other Wurlitzer’s can be sampled without problems. (Providing you get the owners permission)

Bill