I love the WorshipSlow and WorshipMedium styles on the Tyros 2. Has anyone tried to convert them for a PAxxx?

Graham

Has anyone tried converting ANY Tyros 2 styles to Korg Paxxx?

Hi Graham,
meant to actually ask ( on the korg forum), are you mainly trying to convert just the odd style to PAxxx format, or were you hoping to do a heap of them.

The conversion process can be time consuming depending on how the conversion turns out. It's the editing after the conversion that may take time.

I've got a few that I really like on my psr1500 & there isn't an equivalent style on my PA800.
For those styles I'll spend the time and edit to get them right.
Others I just run thru my emc & if I need them one day , I'll tweak them.
best wishes
Rikki

Hi Rikki

I worked my way through many of the PA800 styles in my local store but could not find an equivalent to these 2 worship styles, so I'm just thinking of converting the odd style.

Graham

Hi Graham,
as you may have already read in the other post, the Worship Slow on my PSR1500 converted quite well, found a couple of issues with abrupt volume changes in the intro's & endings. It's a beautiful style which I'd be happy using myself, so I'll try & fix it & send you a copy.
It appears to be the same style as on the T2 but my psr doesn't have megavoices.

I ran the T2 Med. Worship thru EMC also. It didn't convert as well as my Psr style.
Even playing it thru my psr1500 doesn't sound particularly brilliant.
I'll see if I can work out whats wrong.
I think I also have a psrs700 version of Med Worship, hopefully it may work better.

best wishes
Rikki



[This message has been edited by rikkisbears (edited 01-22-2008).]

Graham....


Check your E-mail I have converted both styles for you......I hope you can use them in your music ok?

Good Luck!

what a nice gesture

Donny, I'd be much obliged if you sent me a copy of those as well.

Hi Donny,
could you please send me a copy too.
I'd luv to work out why my conversion intro 2, the bass & guitar was twice as loud as the rest of the style.

I've had a couple of problems with my new EMC XT upgrade.

best wishes
Rikki

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Hi Rikki
If the style uses Mega voices, then they will not convert to other boards very well, as they are Midi loops with extra effects added, and so have to be controlled directly by the appropriate style software. (Upper/later Yamahas or the Wersi OAA)
If you do try to use a normal voice, then you will spend months tweaking it, but it still won’t sound correctly.
Hope this helps

Bill

Steve & Rikki you have mail.....enjoy

D.

Hi Bill, interesting info. Do other manufacturers do the same, or is this one explanation for the different sound (CD versus live band) that I've seen discussed on the zone.

Graham

Thanks Donny.

Hi Graham
As far as I am aware, except for the Wersi OAA software, (Which uses Wersi’s own code programming to achieve the same effect) no other manufactures produce these types of voices.
The CD – Live band mentioned in other threads, relates to the sound system.
If you listen to a Yamaha it gives you a nice rounded, slightly compressed sound, (Hence the comparison with a CD) whereas most other boards give you a more raw sound, as you get in a live performance.
To look at it another way, the Yamaha gives you a studio production sound, whereas with other boards it’s like a live concert.
If you ever get a chance to compare a Tyros 2 and a Wersi OAS instrument (With the OAA software) you will see what I mean, as with the Yamaha styles played on the Wersi, it’s like you are at a live concert, rather then in the studio. (One of the few instances where something played on another manufactures instrument, doesn’t just equal, but beats the original)
Hope this makes things clearer

Bill

Bill...how does the Wersi deal with Yamaha's Mega voices as most, if not all of the new styles have them?

Does Wersi have something comparable?

Ian

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Rikki, do please send us your conversion of the PSR1500 style that you have already done.

God bless you.

Graham

Your very welcome

enjoy

D.

Hi Ian
Apart from the more live sounding voices due to the Wersi sound system, you would not be able to tell the difference between them. (I know some people alter the EQ, Reverb etc of the Yamaha Styles to sound exactly like the Styles in the Tyros 2, but personally I prefer a more live sound)
Please also remember that no conversion takes place, the styles are played directly as if they were loaded on a Yamaha.
BTW for those that think the direct play of Yamaha styles is the main feature of the Wersi OAA, then please remember that the manual runs to 60 pages, and if you grouped together all the parts that are related to the Yamaha style play, (Including the sound list) they would total no more than 4 pages.

Bill

Bill,

Do you have any demos of a Wersi playing a Yamaha style...an "unplugged" guitar type style would be best.

Tyros2 has two..Unplugged 1 and Unplugged 2 and I'd like to hear these played on the Wersi as they use Mega voices.

Ian

Hi Ian
I only have some styles that a friend did for me, and unfortunately they were recorded at a lower level then the norm, so you get a bit of noise when you normalise them.
If you want to hear some of them (Say whether you want them normalised or original) and I will post links to them on the site.
The following styles are available:

Acoustic Jazz: Baroque Concerto 3: Beguine 3: Bosa Nova 3: Brass Band 3: Classic Big Band 3 X2: English waltz 2: English Waltz 3: Flamenco 3: Gay Gordons 3: Gospel Swing 3: Guitar Serenade 3: Irish Dance 3: Lounge Piano 3: Midnight Ballad 3: Midnight Swing 3: Organ Cha Cha 3: Organ Swing 3: Power Ballad 3: Romantic Ballad 3: Showtune 3: Love Song 3: Swinging Big Band 3

I'm assuming the 3 relates to the Intro/Ending

Regards

Bill

Bill,

Not many of those styles really feature the Mega Guitars, although "Guitar Serenade", and "Flamenco" would be the closest.

Too bad you can't do the Unplugged ones, as they would be a real test, but the two I picked will do for now.

Thanks,

Ian

Hi Ian
Here are the files you requested
Regards

Bill
http://www.4shared.com/file/35843492/beee53cb/Flamenco.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/35843597/cf46cd73/Guitar_Serenade.html

Hi Bill,

I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible (you know I'm a Yammie fan), so here's my summation.

The conversions are pretty darn good, although it sounds like the converted styles are substituting a steel string for the "Mega Voice Nylon String" in the originals, giving a slightly thinner and harder(twangier?)sound.

Perhaps the Wersi nylon string guitar, if that's what was substituted, has a different timbre than the Yamaha voice?

I did notice an absence of fret noises and other characteristics(especially so in the Flamenco)that give the Yamaha mega voices their uncanny realism, although the dynamics seemed to convert pretty good.

These two styles are factory presets on my S900 and I did a comparison using a set of Yamaha headphones.

Still, the conversions were much better than I expected, better than others I have heard.

I want to thank you for taking the time to create the demos and post them for me.

Ian

Hi Bill,
thanks.
I actually used EMC to convert the PSR1500 & the T2 style to PA format.
The way EMC handles the megavoices is to put the strum & pluck noises into an SFX track which can be deleted ( if required). The squeaks that ensure in the sfx track, I am certain don't really represent the fret noises etc the T2 makes. Even with those deleted, the PSR1500 converted better than the T2.
I've been working on a method of converting psr styles without having to use EMC by just using PT12 or XG Works sequencer & OMB software ie saving the individual style parts as midifiles, editing the drum tracks to suit the PA800's drum mapping, then using the midifile import function in the PA800 to create the style.

I think I may other alternatives for getting rid of the fret noises via free 3rd party style software for the psr.
Or the fret noises can be deleted via event list editing in One Man Band software or the pc sequencer. The note mapping for the frets is in the manual.

Suppose I'm trying to reinvent the wheel by going to this trouble,but I do get a more accurate conversion. Reason also why I'll only convert the occasional style.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Graham,
no problem.
When do you you need it by? as I haven't gotten round to editing the the volume jump in Intro /Ending 2.

I'm also currently trying my OMB midi to style method ( as above) to see if it gives a better result for this style..

best wishes
rikki

Hi Bill,

Here are quick style demos of the ones you posted, taken from my S900 and made into MP3 at 192 kbps...I've also added one of the Unplugged styles.

Styles are played on a Cmaj chord and each variation is approximately 4 bars in length and I used Intro/Ending 3.

http://www.4shared.com/file/35852669/28fc0c37/Flamenco.html

http://www.4shared.com/file/35852686/26c03c28/GuitarSerenade.html

http://www.4shared.com/file/35852718/1178c051/Unplugged1.html

Ian

Hi Rikki

No rush, I really appreciate you helping me with this.

Graham

Hi Ian
Thanks for posting the files, I will burn them to CD and listen to them on my main Audio system when I get back from work tonight. (Probably play the mp3 files in the Abacus as well)
If all goes to plan, I should have the Abacus upgraded to OAS 7 and the OAA in the next couple of months, which will allow me to see exactly what is used.
Regards

Bill

Hi Ian
Had a good listen, and yes there is a difference in that the S900 is more CD like, (Studio Production) however the Wersi makes the styles sound like you are listening to a live band.
Most guitar voices on the Wersi can have the fret noise changed in voice edit.
Here are 2 more styles (No normalisation required this time) that a friend has done for me, you should recognise them.
BTW the Wersi does NOT convert Yamaha styles, but plays them direct, just like Yamaha keyboards do.
Look forward to your comments

Bill

http://www.4shared.com/file/36115213/fed10e1e/nplugged1.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/36115354/51b348e/Unplugged_2.html

Bill,

These were much better, although the guitar body thump on Unplugged1 sounded more like a bongo drum...perhaps this can be refined more?

Unplugged2 was very good too, although it did have a "steelier" sound than the S900's Mega Steel...some may like it, some not.

The idea of CD or "finished" sound of the Yamaha always appealed to me, as opposed to the "live" or more raw sound...it's like the difference between a candy apple paint job(Yamaha)or primer paint(other brands)...but, whatever spins your wheels.

Thank you for posting the demos...it's nice to hear how styles are interpreted by different arrangers.

Does the Wersi instrument these clips were played on cost much more than the S900?

Ian

(Later edit)...I should mention that a more "live" sound can be achieved on the Yamaha if one wants to play around with the Voice Set parameters, but I like the sound "as is".



[This message has been edited by ianmcnll (edited 01-27-2008).]

Hi Graham,
hopefully I got it sounding ok.

The volume jumps in some of the intro/ending tracks were a bit tricky.
Good learning experience though, hopefully it's all fixed.

The style is available at
http://www.createsongstyles.com/forum/index.php?topic=4071.0

or I could email it directly to you.

best wishes
Rikki