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#225200 - 01/28/08 06:05 AM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
ianmcnll Offline
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The guy was obviously listening ONLY to what he was playing, and not really concerned about the balance.

The balance for the Style and Right 1 is easily accessible on the S900...one button.

Ian
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#225201 - 01/28/08 06:07 AM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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All KB's should have sliders.....especially if they are quality built ones...
Ketron offers soem of the best ones on their products I have ever performed with....Midjay/SD-1. No side-way wobble at all quality made.....they sit & slide in a channel vs others that are just knobs.

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#225202 - 01/28/08 08:09 AM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
ianmcnll Offline
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Originally posted by Dnj:
All KB's should have sliders.....especially if they are quality built ones...
Ketron offers soem of the best ones on their products I have ever performed with....Midjay/SD-1. No side-way wobble at all quality made.....they sit & slide in a channel vs others that are just knobs.


I've never had a chance to try the Ketron...I hear good stuff about them.

Did you sell your Pa-800?

Ian
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#225203 - 01/28/08 11:29 AM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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Actually, the S-900 and nearly all of the later model Yamaha keyboards have sliders. However, instead of the old mechanical sliders, they are electronic. The old sliders fit into a tiny track which was sealed with two thin strips of rubber, one on each side of the slider. The rubber strips were meant to prevent dust from entering the wire-wound potentiometer. After a few years, the rubber usually became dry and hardened, dust particles filtered into the inner workings, and eventually it had to be replaced. The new electronic sliders are very effecient, easy to use, have no moving parts other than the button and the buttons are hermitically sealed in a sterile environment.

Back to the camcorder mic. They were never intended for anything other than human speech. Their frequency response is pretty much mid range, lows are clipped, and highs sound tinny. And, they are called shotgun mics for a reason. They tend to only focus on a very narrow area, and they are highly directional. That's why newscasters love them. You don't pick up extraneous sounds outside the area where the mic is pointed, which is usually directly at a person's face during a news broadcast. And, the range of a shotgun mic is fairly short, often falling off as much as 50 percent in just 10 feet. When I worked for a local cable TV station several years ago we used shoulder mounted cameras that cost $40,000 or more, and they were fit with the best shotgun mics available at the time. If the reporter was more than 20 feet from the camera we had to hook up a hand-held mic for him or her to use because the shotgun couldn't pick up the voices. Nuff said!

Gary

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#225204 - 01/28/08 02:02 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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I enjoyed the clip DNJ. Its nice to see arrangers getting away from cha cha cha and waltzes for a change. The guy was just jamming. It was never intended to be a serious recording. I think sometimes we overanalyze

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#225205 - 01/28/08 03:06 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
Dnj Offline
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Spalding you couldnt be more correct!!

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#225206 - 01/28/08 04:34 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14269
Loc: NW Florida
Quote:
Originally posted by spalding:
think sometimes we overanalyze


So why comment at all...? If anything negative is OVER-analyzing, should we simply say, no matter HOW bad a demo is, 'Oh, that's nice!'?

Boring...

BTW, whether your arranger has a 'balance' knob or not (and I feel it should be on every arranger, cheap or TOTL), it still affects the final output. You can't monitor a 'more me' mix while letting the audience get the balanced mix (or the other way round if you need it).

Like I said earlier, probably the MAIN thing I hear in most demos posted here is that the lead instrument is WAY too loud. Obviously, we don't realize it at the time (or we would have not laid it down like that!), we WANT to hear ourselves loud and clear... But that isn't always the best mix for the audience, who need a balanced mix for the best result.
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#225207 - 01/28/08 11:20 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14269
Loc: NW Florida
Quote:
Originally posted by ianmcnll:
The guy was obviously listening ONLY to what he was playing, and not really concerned about the balance.

The balance for the Style and Right 1 is easily accessible on the S900...one button.

Ian


Hmmm..... a button? You mean two (up and down)? Or first select the parameter, THEN adjust the balance (with a slider or knob)? Not quite sure I got that...

Also, is there an overall 'balance' knob between ALL keyboard Parts and ALL Style or SMF Parts, or is it just Upper 1 only? For layered RH sounds, or just situations where you find yourself playing a bit more muscularly than usual (perhaps some cute MILFs at the front of the stage!), I would think that is the best solution...

Just curious. No big wup. Yada yada yada...
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#225208 - 01/29/08 02:15 AM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5387
Loc: English Riviera, UK
To be quite honest I agree with the fact the person is just enjoying themselves, and decided to post it, (The new version of showing your holiday snaps/films or hey look how my dog can push the ball) that’s what My Space and You Tube etc is all about, (The sound and video quality of the site playback systems is not good enough for demos) if you want to make a demo then do it on a site that is designed for it. (Or get it professionally done)
The Arranger keyboard is designed so that you can have fun playing at home, so just enjoy it.
If you’re a professional showing your work, then yes you are looking for constructive criticism, but then you wouldn’t be posting like a home player does.

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#225209 - 01/29/08 05:51 AM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
ianmcnll Offline
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by Diki:
Hmmm..... a button? You mean two (up and down)? Or first select the parameter, THEN adjust the balance (with a slider or knob)? Not quite sure I got that...

Also, is there an overall 'balance' knob between ALL keyboard Parts and ALL Style or SMF Parts, or is it just Upper 1 only? For layered RH sounds, or just situations where you find yourself playing a bit more muscularly than usual (perhaps some cute MILFs at the front of the stage!), I would think that is the best solution...

Just curious. No big wup. Yada yada yada...


I love the "Yada yada yada"...is it Irish? Mongolian? Makes me think of the little guy in Star Wars....what was his name? Yoka? Yoko? No, that was JL's wife.

A-ha! Now I have it....Yoda!

That old brain cell is still workin'.

Diki, my friend, I am disappointed that an enterprising young (relatively speaking) man like you, wouldn't have looked up the PSR-S900 manual at this site.

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/result.php

But, all that aside, I have at least found the link at Yamaha's manual site for you.

Perusing the manual you will find (amongst other clever Yamaha implementations) that there is a BALANCE button...a real button.

Pressing it opens a screen that has 7 virtual sliders...usually the main screen displays this at default (very important), but if you were doing something else, besides looking at MILFs, the button allows quick access.

Using the up/down buttons under the relevant virtual sliders (see Gary Diamonds post above for the "virtues of virtual") the player can either raise the STYLE volume OR raise the volume of R1 (in this case)...it is also easy to press two buttons to raise R1 and R2....you get used them...like the drawbuttons on the Nord C1.

I hope this explanation satisfies your rabid (meant as a compliment) curiosity.

Ian
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