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#225190 - 01/26/08 11:56 AM S900 Jazz Funk demo
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#225191 - 01/26/08 06:46 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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Donny .. is that you on your new board ?!?!?! ...
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#225192 - 01/26/08 06:51 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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I believe it is his understudy, Tony.
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#225193 - 01/26/08 10:08 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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I believe that one of the problems with demos like this is the tendency to always place the 'solo' or 'played' part SO much louder than everything else (plus the usual camcorder mic problems), that the arranger itself is barely heard...

You can hear the drums OK (and a nice groove it is, too), but that's about it. Everything else is so obscured by the piano part, it's basically moot. It's probably the commonest thing I hear in most arranger demos, the tendency to place OUR part so much higher than it would be if someone objective was mixing the thing.

Possibly one of the most useful HARDWARE things that could get added to arrangers is that the headphone outs could carry a slightly 'hotter' keyboard/acc ratio than the final outs. Maybe a knob to control the ratio, like Roland have for the live/ACC Parts that goes to the main outs. That way, we can hear ourselves well, and play to the 'more me' mix, but out front gets a slightly lower solo sound. Either use phones, or feed it to a monitor rig, but let the audience enjoy the arranger parts too, especially if they are as good as we THINK they are!

But this demo, well, I certainly couldn't make out virtually a single ACC part well enough to know whether it was tracking the chord input well, or not. Sorry...
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#225194 - 01/27/08 09:56 AM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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Diki ... I thought the same thing when I was listening ... too bad we can't hear more of the 'arranger' ...
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#225195 - 01/27/08 01:08 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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Originally posted by Diki:
I believe that one of the problems with demos like this is the tendency to always place the 'solo' or 'played' part SO much louder than everything else (plus the usual camcorder mic problems), that the arranger itself is barely heard...

You can hear the drums OK (and a nice groove it is, too), but that's about it. Everything else is so obscured by the piano part, it's basically moot. It's probably the commonest thing I hear in most arranger demos, the tendency to place OUR part so much higher than it would be if someone objective was mixing the thing.

Possibly one of the most useful HARDWARE things that could get added to arrangers is that the headphone outs could carry a slightly 'hotter' keyboard/acc ratio than the final outs. Maybe a knob to control the ratio, like Roland have for the live/ACC Parts that goes to the main outs. That way, we can hear ourselves well, and play to the 'more me' mix, but out front gets a slightly lower solo sound. Either use phones, or feed it to a monitor rig, but let the audience enjoy the arranger parts too, especially if they are as good as we THINK they are!

But this demo, well, I certainly couldn't make out virtually a single ACC part well enough to know whether it was tracking the chord input well, or not. Sorry...


Separate outs can achieve this...
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#225196 - 01/27/08 01:36 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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Even with separae outputs, the results would have been the same. It's the lousy frequency response of the camcorder's shotgun mic. Even on the best camcorders, onces used by the larger news services, the audio quality leaves a lot to be desired. I would have liked to heard the same performance recorded directly from the standard outputs. I'm sure the results would have been excellent.

Gary

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#225197 - 01/27/08 07:52 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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This is why you can't beat sliders a la Korg. On-the-fly balance. And I agree with Gary, camcorder mics are crap.

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#225198 - 01/27/08 11:00 PM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Camcorder mikes may be shitty, but that doesn't change how overbearing the lead piano sound is...

And Fran, other than your Mediastation (still got that?), there isn't anything out there that will put the keyboard sounds WITH THEIR EFFECTS through the aux outputs (aux outputs are dry ONLY). That's WAY too much of a compromise for just a little 'more me' in a monitor mix, IMO...

But our G70's have that nice little arr/keyboard 'balance' knob, which, if it could be routed to phones ONLY (and the regular 50/50 mix go to the main outputs) might solve all of this without denying us our effects...
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#225199 - 01/28/08 05:59 AM Re: S900 Jazz Funk demo
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Originally posted by renig:
This is why you can't beat sliders a la Korg. On-the-fly balance. And I agree with Gary, camcorder mics are crap.



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