Fran, before I respond, please go back and listen to this guy and tell me what you honestly think of him.....'cause if you like him, you're gonna LUV me.

chas

Chas, no I don't like him, but the "high school comment" was bit harsh...They must be rearing great organist in high school..down your way..

If you have a audio clip of you playing the C1..can you email it to me, or post it on SZ..I am sure others would love to hear you too..

Please no video...

Yeah right......I'd love to see or hear anyone who posts offer their demos....of anything...but alas another dream of mine (sigh).....not many here will come into the water must be too cold for them eh? But they all know how to talk the talk........

Good or not so good WE all learn from each other but sharing our demos.... it also dispells many myths & legends

Post up boyz.....

Gotta agree...the C-1 demo guy is a little ROUGH! He's probably not a well recognized player anywhere. Maby he's a sales rep. I demoed for Guild guitars years ago, and the smaller companies couldn't afford expensive talent. That's how I got the gig!

Like the C-1, though. And I like my Electro. Placing the order for my C-1 tomorrow morning.

And, after years of putting it off, I posted my rough, so I think that qualifies me to comment in this area.


Russ

First of all, yes cassp, the XK-3c is marginally less expensive than the C1, but not (by a WIDE margin) after you add the second manual. Plus, how much does that whole combo weigh...?

I am still utterly amazed at the total about face by many on this post about the importance of weight. Here is a DUAL manual Hammond clone (stop nitpicking 'drawbar clone' references... that's all they are, references - Hammond still have the rights to their name, or all of the manufacturers would simply call them Hammond clones) that weighs less than many of our TOTL SINGLE manual arrangers.

Dual manuals, for anyone that actually PLAYS a Hammond, unless you are just some multi-keyboard neophyte that only ever plays on one manual anyway (that's the telling difference - most guys with Hammond's or Hammond clones in their rigs only play the one manual at a time. That is NOT a B3 player, IMO) are mandatory. Otherwise, you are just 'faking' a real organ part.

You look at ANYONE that has made the Hammond sound as part of their 'signature' sound, they play BOTH manuals. Rick Wakeman to Keith Emerson, to Benmont Tench, to Jimmy Smith, to Groove Holmes. If you don't play BOTH manuals, you are, IMO, just 'playing' a Hammond SOUND, not 'playing a Hammond'. That's like saying that, because you have a sax sound in your arranger, you are a sax player!. Or that, if you only have 61 keys, you can play a REAL piano part.

The physical size of the original instrument defines what the 'sound' should be, as all it's greatest players used those limits to define what could (and couldn't) be played on it.

No, sadly, what we have here is a bunch of ARRANGER players trying to critique an instrument they have never learned. Now, I KNOW how bent out of shape you all get when someone who obviously isn't an arranger player goes ahead and reviews an arranger, and totally misses the point... I see no difference here.

The fact that professional organ players are happily using the C1 on major tours, while a bunch of mostly weekend warrior arranger OMB acts are criticizing it is VERY telling.

Did you guys know that Joey D..in the beginning only played the lower manual of the B3?


Because he couldn't reach the upper level on his dad's B3..only 6 or 7 years old..

I'm just pointing out some facts to ya'll. I told Fran in my first post if he wants a dual manual then the C1 would be the way to go. Although running either the C1 or the XK-3c through a real Leslie would improve things immensely for both of them. But while using just the onboard sim I think the XK-3c sounds a lot better than the C1 does and that being the case (in my opinion of course ) if you have a better sound internally it would carry over to a better sound through the Leslie too I would think.

Okay, here is an example of a guy playing a Nord C1. Pay attention and you will notice that most of his playing is done on the lower manual. When he starts playing the upper manual he does it to get the leslie sim effect but you can essentially to the same thing on the XK-3c with its single manual especially when considering the several split modes that can be utilized on the XK-3c.

Nord C1 on youtube

Again, I'm not really trying to diss the C1. Two manuals at under 35 lbs is a B3'ers dream come true. What I was trying to do was to clarify some things and Fran can do what he wants.

Which he does anyway by the way...

Best,
Mike

Well, let's face it, if the lack of drawbars is enough to put of some of this thread's so-called Hammond purists off the C1, well OF COURSE these die hard 'experts' will be running it through a 147, wouldn't they?

But the problem remains... do you get the better Leslie sim, but restrict yourself to one manual, or get a C1, put up with a VERY slightly inferior Leslie sim, and with the money you save not getting the second manual kit from Hammond/Suzuki (and the chiropractor bills!) you could buy a REAL Leslie?

BTW, I have heard more differences between different B3/Leslie combos than between the C1 and XK-3c demos. They never were identical, like playing two grand pianos...

One thing I haven't been able to find out... For me, the B3's volume pedal's throw and curve are probably more important to the playability of the organ than whether it has drawbars or not (you use it ALL the time, not just at registration changes). But here are several people talking about Yamaha expression pedals, or Roland ones, that are nothing LIKE the B3's... Does anyone make a volume pedal (or expression) that is IDENTICAL to the B3's?

the "Come Fly With Me" demo...that guy's a player! Wish I could hear him doing left-handed bass. Can't understand why people who post video don't spend a little more time getting a good sound. Using on-camera mikes is NOT the thing to do. This is especially dumn when trying to sell/demo music equipment. Adding a small mixer is simple and makes for a drastically improved final product.


R.