Here's the link:
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum29/HTML/002320.html

I'm upgrading to the PA2XPro.

Steve ... trying for the S-Z record of most kbs in a year ?!?
t.

You'll be gettin' that 76 note keyboard....sweet!

Ian

T a good thing I have a full time day job. With this staying home mode after surgery I could get myself into a lot of trouble I'm not intentionally trying to set any records on number of keyboards.

Ian the extra physical sliders and 76 key action which is suppose to be terrific is enough for me to upgrade. With any luck in the next week I'll demo one at Frankieve's store.

Steve good move ....now that you really have a grasp on the KORG OS and it features.....your Gonna LOVE the Pa2x for sure....WOW!!! Now all you arranger Piano needs will be solved & you'll be on your way to Musical Shangri la!!!!
I'm happy for ya buddy you put a smile on my face today for sure...!
I wish you all the luck in the world!!

keep us posted.

I am not bashing Korg at all because I love my PA800, but there is a bug in the OS, sometimes causing a lockup when importing samples. They have a handle on it, and you are probably already aware of it.

Stephen,

You had me worried when I saw your thread topic...but relieved to know you're keeping along the same line.

Good luck on your sale and new toy.

zuki

Bernie:

Are you speaking of the PAX2 or 800

zuki

Jim I had the feeling you might have wondered what was up? I spoke to Frankieve who has played the board and he tells me the keybed is terrific. Plus he had some other excellent comments about the board.

As Bernie mentioned Korg is aware of the bug in the Pa2xpro. I have not had any freezing issues at all with my 800.

Donny and Ian yea 76 keys is sweet. I had hoped to have my chauffeur (my wife doctor's orders can't drive for another 4 days) drive me to Milford to Frankieve's store tomorrow. turns out the Korg distributor is out of them since they are selling so well. Probably wont' have mine for 2 more weeks, not to worry though I'm enjoying the Pa800. I'm sure you will too Jim. Just give me a holler if I can assist you in anyway. Of course Rikki is the expert and Bernie has been of help to me too.

Hi Stephen,
congratulations.
Shocked me for a moment, as in "What's gone wrong " haahaa.

76 notes, extra sliders etc wonderful.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stephenm52:
[B]

I have never had a freezing problem whatsoever with the Pa800 & I've played many many gigs with it...reading these forums some players really abuse the Kb and are running things like defective, corrupt files, & samples thru it that can upset the OS resulting in problems....but under normal use you'll have many years of problem free playing for sure.

Steve you've Trumped us all!!!
Im happy for ya buddy.....RI watch out there's a new sheriff in town!!!

His name is "Steve" !!! "D

As mentioned by Steve above, I was speaking of the PA2Xpro. I ,neither, have had a single problem with the PA800.

Bernie

The problems are related to sample loading..?

How many of the people that have no problems to report have actually used the sample loading feature much?

Let me shed some light on the sample loading issue.
I received my order of PA2Xpro's and PA500's yesterday. Since the PA800 came out with version 1.02 or 1.03, there has been a note when downloading the directions and new benefits telling users to delite the global folder when loading any sets made previous to this version. Then, once loaded, you can save this set on your thumb drive or hard drive. If you don't do it this way, you chance having lockup problems.
I have now loaded over 10 sets of different samples and multisamples into my PA2XPRO on the sales floor without any insstances of locking up. For those of you only playing western styles and sounds and never load samples into the keyboard, you won't know what I'm even talking about. For many middle eastern musicians who load custom sets of iranian, arabic, etc. sets of styles and loops, you must follow these directions and you'll have no problems.


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George Kaye
Kaye's Music Scene
Reseda, California
818-881-5566
www.kayesmusicscene.com

Good to hear...

George thanx for the clarification on this issue..

Hi,
haven't actually sampled or loaded individual samples like drums, basses etc
but I have loaded some audio drum loops which I've sliced & created pads from.
I've had no problems .

As Donny mentioned a number of the members that have had problems appear to be constantly loading other members user files including stuff from earlier model keyboards like the pa1x.
When the PA's load & save as a .set file, the set can include global settings, samples all sorts of stuff.
They probably don't have a choice as a lot of the styles they're sharing seem to be oriental styles which include drumkits & samples.
If one doesn't understand the system & you start loading other peoples stuff, they may be getting in a bit of a mess if they load stuff incorrectly..
When I share I style, I only save the style itself, & warn people to load the style as an individual style , not as a set.

best wishes
Rikki

Ok, so I am getting my first Korg the PA1X this week and know very little about all of this. I have been playing a PSR3000. Does this mean that if I find what I call styles for the PA series on this forum or the KorgPA site that they can't be loaded onto the PA1X or that I must follow some mysterious ritual to get it all to work?

Hammer

Steve, good for you. The PA2x pro sounds like a dynamite keyboard. You'll love getting reacquainted with the 76-note keyboard. Soon you'll be able to give us a 1,2,3 overview of the PA2x, G-70 and Tyros II. We've both had our share of keyboards lately, but I think you and I will be sticking with our respective boards for a good long time (in SZ arrnger time of course).

I'm just wondering how much longer Yamaha can go on without offering its own 76.

George, yes thanks for the clarification.

I thought my post would raise a few eyebrows.

As Donny mentioned in another post the PA800 is a great board for live play. Sure it doesn't have the variety of styles that would be ideal or even the great variety of 3rd party sytles that Yammie has. But for the part time work I do playing music it has everything I need and then some.

Rikki each time I make any major changes or additions to my Songbook or STS I back up the data to a .set file. When I get my new board can I just load those .set files without risk of causing a problem? Those .set files do not include any files outside of the what is built into the PA800.

Donny, never thought of myself as the "Sheriff." thanks for your well wishes.

Cass thanks and yes in SZ time we'll be sticking with our respective boards for sometime. I'm glad to hear you're enjoying that e60 sounds like a great board.

Bottom line is if Yamaha had offered a 76 key version of Tyros2 or even the PSR3000 at the time I owned those boards I may have never strayed from home, I would have stayed with Yamaha.

I like the PA800 enough where I settled on 61 keys back in November. At the time the PA2xPro was a consideration I just didn't want to wait until January for it.




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Naw Hammer, there is no problem with loading styles, just samples - voices that have been made somewhere else by "sampling" real instruments or sounds. If you get deep enough into the kb to start doing that, you'll need to closely follow the directions, that's all.
Enjoy your new instrument!
DonM

Throw in the PA800 too

zuki

Zuki I will When will you have yours?

Hey S -

ETA is 2/5. Can't wait to get it on eBay (just kidding)

zuki

Thanks Don,

I was getting a little concerned because I have already downloaded a pot load of PA styles from the Korg site and a few others. FedEx tells me Monday - can't wait.

Hammer

Hi Stephen,
as far as I'm aware the PA800 & PA2x have the same styles, sounds etc
I don't think you should have any problems swapping from one to the other.
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What I was reffering to, was, people trying to load complete .sets from earlier models especially if global data was involved.
They seem to be trying to do some pretty weird stuff. I'm not familiar enough with the korg range & the compatibily with prior models, to really comment, but I'm always careful with what I load.

I've done a fair bit of experimentation in my keyboard, including splitting audio loops ( grooves), editing drum kits,
I've played around with most of the style editing functions, including copying from styles,copying from pads, importing & exporting style parts as midifiles, the note trasposition tables etc etc & the PA800 has performed flawlessly.

I've loaded a couple of corrupted styles from the Korg site ( which have apparently now been fixed), they caused the keyboard to lock up, I removed them, it worked beautifully again.
Now if I load someone else's user styles, I load them in individually, rather than as a set of styles, just in case one of them is faulty. I keep the one's I want the rest I delete.
Once the styles are in the keyboard & everything is functioning normally , I save them as a .set & would have no hesitation in loading them as a style .set once I know they're ok.

I think where it gets a bit confusing is
.set can be anything from just a .set of style data right thru to a .set including files for global data, songbook data, pcm data, style data etc

So for instance if I didn't quite know what I was doing & I decided to share a single style with someone & saved the style as a .set which included globaldata , songbook data pcm data etc, and the other person didn't know what they were doing & loaded as a whole .set they could overwrite their own global data, songbook data etc

That's why when sharing one of my user styles I only ever put the one style in the .set folder ( I never put in any other data like global or songbook etc)
and I usually put in a note to say when loading keep opening up the folders
( starting will "All" ) till you get to the individual style then load it to an empty slot.

I always do a complete "ALL" save if I've added a heap of new stuff.

For anyone who's new to a korg, the system is different to the yammies, I personally luv all the stuff that can be done on this keyboard .

best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stephenm52:
[B]

Rikki each time I make any major changes or additions to my Songbook or STS I back up the data to a .set file. When I get my new board can I just load those .set files without risk of causing a problem? Those .set files do not include any files outside of the what is built into the PA800.

Rikki Thanks!!! Glad you own a Korg board, you are loaded with great information.

Stephen, when you get the time could you investigate the variation fill anomaly on the Pa2X and tell us if you think it is a cause for concern in your opinion? It has been reported that there is still an issue with the variation/fill-in function on the Pa2X where there is not a smooth transition when you use that feature. Since Yamaha's arrangers e.g. the Tyros/2 variation fill-in transitions are seamless, it would be interesting to get your input on how the Pa2X rates in comparison, and if it would cause any problems, in your opinion, in a live setting where fluidity is of utmost importance.

Best,
Mike

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The fills have always been my biggest concern. I'll let you know about the 800 soon. If they're like some Korgs I've played in the past, it's gone! I'm hoping for the best.

zuki

Hi Zuki,
decided to try getting one again.

I'm still in shock over what happened to you the last time.

If I can be of any help, let me know. I know a tiny bit more about it now , than I did last time.

best wishes
Rikki

Thanks Rikki,

Yes, going for the 800 and I'm sure I'll have questions. I'll keep the 900 for live play and fool around with the new toy to see if it could be a replacement. I like the harmony notion, because singing is a big plus for me.

I will get my money back eventually. I have the law after the creep and they're closing in now.

Talk to you soon, I'm sure.

zuki

Hi Zuki,
good idea hanging onto the 900 just in case the PA doesn't work out.

The sooner the better as far as getting your money back from that creep.

Just out of interest ,what type of styles do you mainly use?

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by zuki:
[B]

While it is possible that the styles might have got re-programmed to at least not exacerbate the problem, the fact remains that Korg STILL have a system where, unless you forego the Break/Fill, you only have TWO fills for the entire style. This is in comparison to Roland's seven, and Yamaha's six (and a Break/Fill).

For my mind, this is not enough to make most of the transitions (there are 16 possible transitions on a four variation arranger, including Fill-to-same) as smooth as those higher count fill arrangers can. I am sure, when coming FROM a Yamaha or Roland to a Korg, the noticeable drop in fill numbers cannot help but be noticed.

But to offset this disadvantage is the Korg technique of using MUCH longer Variations (up to 16 bars or more!), so you don't NEED to press Fill quite so often. But, essentially, if you think about it, two fills (one up, one down, I guess) will always have SOME kind of jarring effect. Going from Var4 to Var1, a very pumped up fill would work (you are coming from a pumped up Variation, so the entry into the fill will flow). But that exact same fill, from Var2 to Var1 will sound out of place, because Var2 is still a nice laid back Variation.

Every other arranger manufacturer has figured this out. Why are Korg clinging so desperately to this out-dated system, and yet offer innovation and common sense to so many other aspects of arranger making? It, IMO, LONG past time Korg came down from the clouds, and joined the rest of the industry in offering enough fill choices to make most of the fill transitions at least a smooth as the competition.

Hi Rikki,

Thanks for your thoughts.

Styles? I use absolutely everything. I mix it up to play any type music (except Rap/Hip Hop). My only fear is missing the SIMPLE styles that I use to do 20s/30s/40s medleys that go over so well. Those are a mix of big band, standard, slow, swing, jazz, etc. I love the simplicity of Yamaha styles and how they integrate so perfect between songs. I do a Glen Miller medley that sounds terrific with the Yamaha styles.

But I sort of know that going in. I got this board to add the harmony feature and some kick-a drums for a change. I also look forward to scats, organs, synths, song book, different piano, guitar mode and others things to discover.

Maybe I'll take both to the job - got the energy these days

Life is short. I need to experiment and have fun. All these senior places I play make me nervous - there are hardly any men

zuki

Hi Zuki,
reason I asked, there was a link to a fairly large style download (from a guy in France) listed on the Createasongstyle forum the other day, I got the impression the download was only available for a short time.
I actually got the download, & I'm still sorting thru & loading the styles individually as one of the guys mentioned a couple of the styles were corrupt, so I definately don't want to load complete banks.
Some of them work quite well. I'm trying to sort out the good from the bad.

I mainly use swing/bigband, ballad & latin styles, so the ones I miss , I'll slowly work my way thru converting. EMC conversion doesn't always get it right, so then I'm stuck with doing a midifile to style conversion which is rather time consuming, but if it gets me the style I want , it's worth it. My Korgs here to stay unless one of the other companies comes up with something super amazing haahaa.

If you do happen to find you're missing a particular swing/bigband style, and it's one I use, I'm happy to convert, ( that is of course unless you do your own anyway) as it doesn't worry me which order I do mine in.

If you decide to take both, they could even be midied together. The PA works beautifully as a master keyboard.

As you said, lifes short , have fun.

best wishes
Rikki

rikki I need the Pa 800 korg swing ballad 2 for yamaha if you can email it to me

thanx

Withdrawal

No Zuki...its just one unique style I could use in my arsenal......I dont even know if it will convert well either.....we'll see.

Hi Donny,
doubt it will work unless you have EMC XT
(latest version)
Styleworks 2000 won't convert PA800.

I do actually have XT in the Universal.
Either my program is faulty or else the program in general is still full of bugs.

My PC keeps locking up & the conversion crashes the program.

I'll email you the style anyway, but I don't like your chances.
I even tried converting it to PA1X format, still locked up.

Really annoying.

Don't know if the problem is only with mine, the Universal XT or the new XT software in general.
Eitherway, I'm getting back in touch with Klaus. Only reason I upgraded was for the PA800.

best wishes
Rikki

Rikki thanx for trying I have Universal & it locks it up also Argggggg when doing Pa1x conversions. Oh well theres enough Yamaha styles to surfice for sure.....

Hi Donny,
my Styleworks Universal also locks up if I try to load a PA800 style, but my new version Styleworks XT is SUPPOSED to be able to do it . Double Argggg.

best wishes
Rikki

Rikki I feel your pain

Korg refuse to change 1993 - I3 format (well thay just added break/fill in PA series).
That is killing their arranger play.whan will they wake up and make some change?16 bar loops doesn't work all the time because from verse to chorus,you may not have to wait that long.

Fix and add more fills/don't put A/B button for sound and style selection,make styles simpler,don't over orchestrate.I can't state the importance of it more.The great sounds/hardware but arranger play -they have to improve and I know they can.


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