http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/prodlist.php?s=81&c=125&o=pop&f=sku_is_ata_rated-1-81

Anyone using them?

why not spend another $500 on cases...you already spent a fortune on the Bose..

Donny,
I've seen several variations of the cases shown - gun cases and keyboard cases that were fitted with linings to protect the speakers. I don't think I would consider such a case because of the weight issue – the 2 speaker towers and the added weight of the hard case. To me, the fact the tower is in 2 pieces makes it easier for me to handle.
Ciao,
Jerry

besides having to carry 4 separate pieces and then trying to put the super tight covers on & off.....on & off every day really turned me off & in return had to get rid of my pose out of aggravation regarding portability....too much hassle on an everyday basis. No flexibility versus separate amps...you have to always use the whole setup Argggg!

Hey Donny - so what are you using now? I think I saw that you sold your Mackies. Just curious what sound system you are using on your gigs.

Randy

Donny, I have system 1, but I bought a stand bag which both halves of the pole fit into nicely. It has an internal seperator. I am out of town and don't remember the model, but it was about $30.
I never take the base unit out of the case, just unzip and roll it back.
Model 2 has a much small base unit, and the poles don't require a button to lock into place. It also spreads the sound even better.
DonM

http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/016911.html

Don...I did the same ting before I sold the Bose PAS...nothing against the sound ...just a pain in the butt to carry & set up all those pieces ALL THE TIME.

enjoy

I don't know ..... Let's see ......
unzip, place
unzip, place
unzip, stack
unzip, stack again.......maybe 90 seconds in all. I'll spare the extra time folding those sturdy cases for that sweet sound , but I'll never carry a 50lb box around and sit it on the floor again. Not after I've been spoiled by the fullness of what I have ! God bless ya, Donny ..... You sound great on everything you buy.

Dave your getting lazy in your old age....

What ever floats your boat baby......compared to what we hauled years ago this is a Honeymoon!

Gotta' agree with Uncle Dave. My total setup time is 10 minutes or less using the Bose L1--piece of cake. And, when you consider that performers using a pair or powered speaker, a pair of speaker poles, plus a mixer, and all the other stuff they haul, their setup time has to be more than 10 minutes. The total time to set up the Bose L1 itself is, as Dave says, about 90 seconds. Ok, some days when my butt is draggin' it might take 2 minutes. And, each piece of the L1 is relatively light, especially when compared to powered speakers.

Cheers,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

The Traynor K4 takes 10 seconds..plug it in and turn on the power switch..

and it had more "real" power too..

Fran,

It's not nice to fib to the good folks on the zone. The K4 is only 300-watts peak-power, no subwoofer and does not come with the forklift needed to get it out of the car. The L1 is 1,400-watts peak, 750-watts RMS--no forklift required.

TRAYNOR K4TRAY Specs

Total Power: 300 Watts (200 Watts LF, 2 x 50 Watts H/M F)
Speaker Configuration: 1 x 12-inch 200 Low-Frequency Speaker
2 x 4.5-inch 30 watt Mid-Frequency Speakers
2 x 20 watt High-Frequency Compression Drivers
Channel 1 Input: 4 x ¼-inch TRS balanced (2 x Stereo Pairs)
Channel 1 Controls Gain control
Selectable Solid State or Tube input circuitry
Channel Voicing
3-band Channel EQ
Lead Gain Level
Tube-Drive Gain
Lead boost on / off
Channel 2 Inputs 2 x ¼-inch TRS balanced (Stereo Pair)
1 x XLR balanced microphone
Channel 2 Controls Gain Control
3-band Channel EQ
Channel 3 Inputs 2 x ¼-inch TRS balanced (Stereo Pair)
2 x RCA unbalanced
Channel 3 Controls Gain Control
Channel 4 Inputs Stereo ¼-inch Stereo Pair - Post Master Inputs
(located on rear of amplifier)
Channel 4 Controls Level control (located on rear of amplifier)
Master Section Volume control
Stereo XLR line output jacks w/ ground lift
Lead boost footswitch jack
1 x ¼-inch TRS headphone output
1 x ¼-inch mono sub output jack
Dimensions (WHD): 23.2 x 19.6 x 14.7
58.9 x 49.7 x 37.3
Weight (lbs/kg) 50 / 22.6

Bose L1 Specs

Mechanical

* L1 Model I Cylindrical Radiator® top
43''H x 3 1/2''W x 4''D (1.1 m x 8.9 cm x 10.5 cm)
14.5 lbs (6 kg)
* L1 Model I Cylindrical Radiator® bottom
43''H x 3 1/2''W x 4''D (1.1 m x 8.9 cm x 10.5 cm)
16.0 lbs (7 kg)
* L1 Model I power stand
5"H x 26"W x 26"D (12.7 cm x 66 cm x 66 cm)
35 lbs (16 kg)
* B1 bass module
15''H x 10 1/4''W x 17 3/4''D (38.0 cm x 26.0 cm x 45.0 cm)
25.1 lbs (11.4 kg)
* R1 remote
1 3/5"H x 2 4/5"W x 5 3/5"D (4.0 cm x 7.1 cm x 14.1 cm)
0.6 lbs (0.27 kg)

Electrical

* AC power rating
100-120V 50/60Hz 1400W (USA/Canada)

Power stand inputs/outputs

* Two combination XLR-1/4" inputs (channels 1 and 2)
* Two 1/4" line inputs (3 and 4)
* Two XLR outputs (1 and 2)
* Two TRS inserts/effects loops (1 and 2)
* Neutrik NL4 bass module output
* 1/4" bass line output
* Digital data in
* Digital data out
* R1 remote in

What's in the Box
L1 Model I Cylindrical Radiator® box

* Loudspeaker top and bottom
* Carrying bags

Power stand box

* Power stand
* Power cord
* R1 remote and cable
* Spare fuse
* Protective plug
* Carrying bag

B1 bass module box

* B1 bass module
* B1 bass module cable
* Carrying bag

Documents

* L1 Model I System Owner's Guide
* L1 Model I System Quick Set-up Guide
* B1 Bass Module Installation Guide

Cheers,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

Honestly the Bose is not worth close to $3000.00

for just an average sound in a MONO system nothing earth shattering though dont kid yourself if you never heard one......that any top brand PA system could accommodate easily.....I truthfully found in many time very thin when I went out in the audience back in the room.. I know many people that had to but Bigger Power subs to make em dance. It is what it is. I sold mine and never regretted it.

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Gary the K4 is not 300 watts peak,,it is true 300 watts..and anyone that has used one in a room that demanded volume will tell you it kicks butt...and the 12" woofer is very capable of a deep bass.[not sub woofer bass]..but maybe as good as that Bose so called sub ..

You should give it a real try...maybe blow some windows out..
BTW" Gary you know as well as anyone the number games when rating power amps ..we know the difference is the SPL..

Donny, just curious - if you dislike the Bose so much and don't plan to get one, why would care about the cases for it?
DonM

Don.....


Its the design I dont like.......not the sounds for the most part...

when you have to set up & break down 2x & 4x a day it gets a bit annoying to unpack, unzipper, and try to stick them into the tight supplied covers....especially when your in a big rush... the whole design wasn't my cup of tea.....more then the sound which wasn't the problem vs my personal comfort level which comes first....of which I would say needed a bigger sub for more bottom end to my ears.. ...I certainly wasn't gonna carry 2 subs to add to all the pieces as it was...but if people love em ....
ENJOY baby enjoy!!




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Fran,

I'll check it out the next time I can find a place that sells them close to my area. I'm always interested in a significant improvement, but the weight, which is listed at 50 pounds, is not my cup of tea. However, if you are going to supply the fork lift, I might take this into consideration.

As for the Bose wattage, it has more power than I'll ever need. When I performed a Concert In The Park at Aberdeen, Maryland's Municipal Park last summer I was able to easily reach folks that were sitting nearly 600 feet from the L1's tower. And, I never turned the master volume above 50 percent. I seriously doubt that the K4 could reach someone that far away, especially outdoors. Additionally, when I see a wattage specification on the spec sheet that does not say peak or RMS, I can guarantee you that it is is peak wattage--not RMS. Bose provides both peak and RMS ratings, which is the same thing that Barbetta, York, Peavey and a host of other manufacturers provide. If you have some information that shows this is not peak watts, I would sure like to see it.

Cheers,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

Gary, maybe I can loan you a couple of my old roadies..

I remember Fran said...on one gig last summer...used the K4 outside in Ocean city NJ, and they heard it 5 blocks away...1,000's of feet away !

Nigel.....

I was wondering why your band needs different Subs with your Bose PAs system? Not enough bass or? could you have used a few more on each pole?

I guess everyone hears with a different set of ears(hey, that rhymes) but when I heard an arranger put through the K4, I was not impressed.

Loud? Yes the amp speaks volumes...it's a loud rig...but I thought it made the arranger sound flat and hard.

Tried the tube section...nope...no better.

I'm not saying its a bad keyboard amp...it's actually pretty decent when you run an electric piano through it, or an organ like an Xk-1...it would make a great stage monitor amp for these instruments.

But, in my opinion, it is not, nor was it ever, designed for the full range capabilities of an arranger that's pumping drums, bass, keyboard, guitar, and other sounds through it all at once.

The stereo imaging was also disappointing...I found it virtually non-existent at about 20 ft or a bit more.

There will be people who are made very happy by a Traynor K4, and I wouldn't laugh at them even though it is resoundingly not my sort of amplifier.

Two powered speakers would serve you better.

Plus...it's HEAVY.

Ian

Your right Ian....


I definitly cannot agree with you...
totally different opinions....
Full arranger KB plus I sing thru it also and it's.... sooooooooo NICE!!!
As for heavy?...Ive been carrying Two Mackie SRM450s for over a year, 51 lbs Each so no problem there, Rock n Roller does all the work
http://www.traynoramps.com/default.asp?p1=3&p2=0&p_id=14&id=20


D.,..........



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Yeah, but you must keep in mind that Fran lies. He promisseed to send me his two roadies, you remember, those beautiful babes he posted photos of last year. They didn't show up!

Gary



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Travlin' Easy

here they are Gary.....

[img]http://routzen.files.wordpress.com/2006/07/old-ladies.jpg?w=119&h=96[/img]

Yikes. No smoking in here, please!

Nope, I'll pass on the roadies, and the way the spec sheet reads, the K4 as well. But, I will check it out the next time I'm near a GC, or someplace else that handles them.

Cheers,

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

Those two are pretty effeminate looking guys, Fran...I have enough issues with your recommendations on gear...I'm certainly not going with your choice of roadies.

I bet they're strong enough, but the cigar smoke must be a hassle.

Oh well, at least you have help getting your big old G70 in your Yugo.

Ian

Ian, after I get Chas and Diki to be roadies..you shun them..