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#227423 - 02/20/08 05:19 AM Ketron Audya Summer Launch
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Click on the Ketron Button

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#227424 - 02/20/08 11:21 AM Re: Ketron Audya Summer Launch
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I'll believe it when I see it !
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#227425 - 02/20/08 11:31 AM Re: Ketron Audya Summer Launch
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I am suprise it only has 200 internal styles. That's all??? Am I missing something? Tyros 2 and Korg P2X are offer more internal styles on their keyboard. I am not quite understand.

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#227426 - 02/20/08 01:15 PM Re: Ketron Audya Summer Launch
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There's only so much you can do with an audio loop...

This is a problem I'm not sure we all appreciate, yet. Let's just assume that these 'live audio' styles ARE jaw-droppingly wonderful....

There is NO WAY to include the RAM to be able to have ALL the styles be this good. So how is the arranger going to sound when, after playing a Beguine (for instance) that sounds like a real band, you next get a request for a dance style that DOESN'T have a set of audio loops to go along with it??

Consistency is the hallmark of a great arranger. Everything sounds great. Not just a few styles. And no matter how great the regular arranger sounds, if these 'live audio' styles are all they are cracked up to be, they are going to make the rest of the styles, in comparison, sound lackluster. Or there is little point in this VERY expensive technology.

What do you think?
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#227427 - 02/20/08 05:25 PM Re: Ketron Audya Summer Launch
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Wait and see what Roland are doing.

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#227428 - 02/20/08 06:05 PM Re: Ketron Audya Summer Launch
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There is NO WAY to include the RAM to be able to have ALL the styles be this good.


Ketron will not be relying on RAM, all of the styles will stream directly from the hard drive.

Currently, my SD1 holds all the added styles I have accumulated,in a master folder, on the hard drive. can access & play styles from that folder,without loading or copying in to RAM or registration.

Dan O'

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#227429 - 02/20/08 06:12 PM Re: Ketron Audya Summer Launch
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To Ketron engineers, it is and always has been, "THE SOUND" , as Don M would put it . The sound is what Ketron cares about the most.

Hearing some one play a guitar riff and capturing that with audio / wav. file , can not be duplicated with numbers (midi) ... in their opinion, that is ...

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#227430 - 02/20/08 06:27 PM Re: Ketron Audya Summer Launch
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Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
Wait and see what Roland are doing.




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#227431 - 02/20/08 07:04 PM Re: Ketron Audya Summer Launch
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Well, if the samples are streaming constantly from the HD, they'd better do their level best to shock mount and isolate it..! I would be extremely uncomfortable relying on something working that hard, encased in a keyboard that is being pounded on, and wobbling around on an X-Stand

And I still have yet to hear an explanation of how anyone using audio for anything other than drums and percussion are going to get the range of chord types and inversions and extensions that current MIDI-based arrangers can. A loop library for even ONE style, ONE instrument will be HUGE if it has as many chord type/ext/inv's as a normal arranger can do without breaking a sweat.

All well and good if you are willing to let the machine dictate to YOU what chords you can and can't play, but me, if I want a C7#9 over an F bass, I don't want to hear a C over F, thank you very much!

For hiphop and loop based musics, this sounds like the bees knees. But if you want to play ANY standard, and have all the chords correct, not just dumbed down Easy-Play versions, this is going to take some doing...

Does ANYONE have a clue how the Audya is going to deal with this?
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#227432 - 02/20/08 07:08 PM Re: Ketron Audya Summer Launch
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Quote:
Originally posted by miden:
Wait and see what Roland are doing.


I saw what Roland were doing at NAMM... didn't impress me (or very many others either) at all...
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