demos on ketron website!!!
maybe release date is closer

Thanks!

Nice demos but one wonders what is Mp3 & what is styles vs everything else when its all combined in one unit?...
I'm still out on the Audya rig......but will definitly take a closer look when it arrives as will the new Yamaha & Roland units next wave! MY Needs come first....."hype my Arse" as they say in the UK

What more could/does the Audya bring to the table over the Korg Pa2xpro?

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Al Giordano
http://www.arrangerworld.com


Tyros 2, Korg Pa2xpro, Roland VK8-M, DW Collectors Series Drums, Roland TD-12 Vdrums, Roland SPD-S.

Maybe an open mind?

No, seriously... Those demos sound amazing, but I wonder how much of it is the 'live loop' feature? You won't be able to use those drum breaks more than maybe a couple of times a night before your audience starts to notice that they are identical... Or your songwriting team go 'Not those again!'. And best of luck getting Ketron to release a whole bunch of them.

It must cost a fortune to record all these loops with professional players in top notch studios, not to mention the difficulty in getting third-party developers to adopt the proprietary format. So don't imagine the style library will grow much after release (how many new 'live loop' styles have Ketron ADDED to the SD-1 since it's release - or how many third party 'live loop' styles have been made?).

Then imagine all your favorite imported Yamaha or Roland or Korg styles sounding very poor in comparison, because the lack of 'live' drums (just like Ketron, now, actually!). And, of course, forget editing them. They are what they are, and that's all they can be. No 'tweaking' a kick pattern to fit a different tune better, or adjusting the guitar part (if it is a loop).

I remain skeptical of the method, but I'm keeping an open mind until the final product hits the market. I only hope Ketron increase their distributor chain, because I, for one, am NEVER going to buy one, just to try it out! WAY too much money to chance on a lemon...

Finally some decent demos of this keyboard..It does sound really good, far better than anything the SD1+ could do, plus it has USB and some really good operational systems..A dealer out here reckons they will list at cheaper than the g70 based on information he had at the time, although that might have changed by now...
Who knows maybe not being able to get a g70 might be a blessing in disguise!!

Why do you say that .....the G70 is an awesome arranger?

Still waiting for an answer to this question "how many new 'live loop' styles have Ketron ADDED to the SD-1 since it's release - or how many third party 'live loop' styles have been made?"...

Since my G70 was released, I have several hundred new or converted styles for it, that all sound basically as good (or as bad, your choice!) as the ROM ones. Can a Ketron user say the same thing about 'live loop' styles?

From what I have seen and heard, yes it is.
I have not had the chance to get my hands on one physically yet.
I mean that from the advertising and the demos I heard, the Audya might just be a bit better.
Hard to tell really as I have not personally played either.

[Edited to add]..also Roland in Australia will still not come to the party and drop their prices on the G70..out here it is still $4400 (about 4100 USD) and they will not budge..
The shop I deal with (a big roland dealer too) and I have been trying for months..with news of the new arranger I thought it was a good chance they will drop, but that is now not happening so I guess the prices will stay the same.
You guys over there really have it good when it comes to buying music gear!!

[This message has been edited by miden (edited 03-11-2008).]

My advice would be look for a good used one, miden. Seems a whole bunch of buyers not prepared to do the work to customize it, and many let it go with very little playing miles on it... They are built like tanks, so you shouldn't have to worry about button wear or keyboard contacts, etc.. Just make sure there is no problem with the touch-screen (rough handling can cause some problems), and you should be fine.

Their loss could be your gain!

The all Mp3 demos are really amazing, they sounds really good.
But for me, all this demos have nothing to do with the arranger engine, they are all programmed under one SEQ.
You can just hear that the all parts are played in realtime, Brass, E.Piano...are not patterns, it mean a standard SEQ song.

After saw again the Video demos of NAMM: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xy92wEdaZSo
( sounds there are recorded with a Mic Camera) but still you can hear a totally different sounds sets and arranger switch patterns bugs ( it mean a real OS status) that totally dont match with one of this new Mp3 demos.
All the nice video demos are made with a Wav player and never with a true styles, this can make the MS too and much better, try there to transpose +5/-5 semitone or BPM timescratch...
Is not a ketron fault but is only the Dream chip limitation, for your know, we have the same chipset on MS and we have ignored this all features because are really poor.

Anyway, from today is open the Musikmesse and then for sure someone can compare and make some test if really the Audya arranger sounds same like this Mp3 and when really will be released.
For sure soon someone will posting here some true news.

Enjoy what you play
cheers

We've just put up a LIVE demo with 2 AUDYA's in use ... again through external camera mics so bear with us on sound quality.

This should give you a better idea of the ARRANGER (no sequences used here)....
http://www.ketron.it/musikmesse2008/index.asp#

Thanks,

AJ

PS: Again, based on these being prototypes, specifications (as listed on the brochure) can change (in this case WILL change) as development progresses prior to release of production modules...processors, memory ..etc. We want to make sure we give you the best with what we currently have.

AJ, the "jam session" sounds good. Why does Ketron continue to include a floppy drive? Do people in Europe still commonly use them?
I have four computers and none of them even has a floppy drive.
Since Audya is in prototype stage, perhaps it could be replaced with something more useful.
Can't wait to get my hands on an Audya!
Thanks,
DonM

DonM,

The AUDYA doesn't have a floppy drive - 2 USB ports on the bottom/front LEFT side and one on the back (to host). You CAN use a USB FD to connect, but we've pretty much abandoned the standard FD on our products.

The SD4 also comes with USB (like the SD2 but this time for live useage).

Thanks,

AJ

PS: We're also considering abandoning the Dream chip and using one of our own developments - just as we did with the vocalizer.

AJ,
so I guess it's correct to assume that -considering all the design issues you are still evaluating, like choice of the processor, vocalizer chip, etc- the Audya will not see the light before another six months, at least?

well, still in thi last video demo: http://www.ketron.it/musikmesse2008/Video/Sabato_02.wmv
at posistion 17:40 you can hear the test of the transpose and timestrech, typical sounds and features of the Dream chip. ( tested here too with my evabord PCI)
In the video have trasponed only +1 and -1, because if they transpone more, the Dream chip can not manage it right.
The timescrech seem working, but when in the video have reduced to much the BPM, you can hear yourself that the phase and the sounds start to be ugly totally, then Fontanella have stopped asap.

Fran have a MS with a old OS, but he can prove the transpose and timescrach quality of Elastique, Dream can never compete and still the P3 intel CPU too IF they will not buy the license like this all company: http://www.zplane.de/index.php?page=references

Here a old video demo recoded with the cam mic, but anyway you can heard the good quality of the +7/-5 transpose and the BPM timescretch reduced clode to the zero: http://www.lionstracs.com/demo/video/2007/tiptranspose.wmv

Anyway the Audya is one amazing keyboard, they make really a great work, but still remain in the closed and limited embedded system.
Recycle then over and over the same audio loops in ROM for create new variation styles is not the right way. Enduse must have the freedom to load the all audio loops that they want and make new generation of styles with a totally different audio loops too.

Sorry, but I have a totally different point of view...Open with Freedom...

enjoy what you play

[This message has been edited by LIONSTRACS (edited 03-15-2008).]

Woops, maybe youre right Andrea, concidering that it's almost a
year since the Audya hype began.....
But at the other side, better keep it in factory 'till MOST of
the fail and bugs are gone, too often it's the consumers who
have to be the "testrabbits", and that without any kind of redused
price or goodies!
Well, time will tell they say, I'm too busy explore the G-70.

Happy Playing & Happy Easter
GJ

Thanks AJ, I had seen an earlier list of specs that said it still had a floppy. I fell into the same trap as many others, criticizing something BEFORE I saw it!
Like everybody else, I'm anxious to see the finished product. However, I'm glad Ketron seems to be taking time to get it right before release.
DonM

I'm totally blown away just by the quality of the sounds. The organs sound especially awesome as do the guitars. Very nice and inspiring!!

When do the pre-orders start! LOL

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Al Giordano
http://www.arrangerworld.com


Tyros 2, Korg Pa2xpro, Roland VK8-M, DW Collectors Series Drums, Roland TD-12 Vdrums, Roland SPD-S.

I hope one of those "WILL" 'changes' will be the inclusion of USB 2.0 AJ Here's to hoping anyway.

Best,
Mike