I've just got an sd2 but cannot seem to mute some of the the midi channels to integrate it with my existing gear, i've tried converting the hex code in the back of the manual, but it doesnt seem to work, rikkisbears was recommended by the guys in the ketron forum..any ideas?

I have an SD2 which I use with a Tyros2

You haven't specified what keyboard you have but the way I did it was to set up and save a named midi configuration that only allows external midi transmission on voice 3 - I had to go into all the other sections and turn external midi transmission off for everything else (voice 1 and 2, left hand, accomp, bass, drums, pads etc.) I also had to turn off internal midi tx for voice 3 otherwise i would have a voice sounding from both the T2 and the SD2 (you may want this of course) - You just turn voice 3 on and off to hear the SD2 sounds. You can also use the voice selection buttons on the T2 to select the SD2 voice but you can't change voice banks. I have a programmable midi box in the chain to do this but you can use your pc and a sequencer to send the sysex.

One other thing, When I go into the effects control panel i can change the reverb and chorus settings for SD2 voice by changing the T2 voice 3 settings.

Hope this helps

Regards - Keith



[This message has been edited by KFingers (edited 04-03-2008).]

Yep Keith is correct. The way to integrate various bits of midi gear is to utilise the transmit/receive switches, usually represented TX/RX. Or if your controller can do it , ports.

From what I have heard the midi spec in the sd2 is pretty basic, but it still should have this ability. Just check in the SD2 manual for the procedure for the SD2.
If it doesn't you will need to restrict what it receives from your other device/s.

Hi,
I've actually got mine set up with a Korg PA800, I don't have trouble muting the channels via my keyboard.
You're trying to do yours thru sys ex?
I'm not terribly familiar with sys ex messages, but I don't think the hex you've typed in is correct.

If I get a chance , I'll try & have a look at it later today. Not sure if I'll be of much help though.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by getsmartnow:
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Hi Rikki,
Yes the Korg midi spec is very complete. Easy to do from any of the PA series boards.
What would be handy is if we know what he is using to drive the SD2, there might be an easier way that hex to activate RX/TX on channels depending on what keyboard he is using.
Dennis

Hi Dennis,
I haven't had much luck. admittedly my sd2 operating system isn't the latest.

I compared the hex codes between my sd2 & sd1. Only 1 minor difference.

I put the hex code in for the sd1. Muted it perfectly. Did similar for the sd2 with it's code. Kept playing, didn't mute.

I might try updating my sd2 & see if it makes a difference.
best wishes
Rikki

Good luck.
I checked out the SD2 manual. It is really very primitive in its midi implementation!!

Sorta like comparing DOS to Windows.

You would think they would have a midi editing section (as does just about every other midi device) to allow simple switching of MIDI transmission channels.

It would seem with the SD2, having a sequencer is a MUST HAVE if you want to do anything except just play SMF files.

Not many editing facilties are there?

And to make it even tougher there does not seem to be any sort of PC editor program available either!!!

Still if the OP can advise what his other gear is, it might be easier to assist.
Dennis

Hi Dennis,
it was designed for PC use. I actually bought it to go with One Man Band software.
It works well with the Korg, only because the Korg's midi implementation is good. Works ok with my pc sequencer also , as long as it's my only soundsource.

Really need one of those little old fashioned switch boxes or something ( that were round in the early days) pocket something ??. They had a little box that could just about fix anything.
I've got in the back of my mind, I had one that may have switched midi channels on & off. Really wish I'd kept some of my old stuff.
best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by miden:
[B] Good luck.

I still have my old Casio Mid thru box. It is solid metal with 2 in and 8 out. It still works great.
Bernie

Rikki, if I remember correctly (and it's the one you are talking about), it was the Midisport by MOTU. I think you could physically control which channel got "thru'd" and which didn't.
It was a good box too, don't think they make it anymore, but maybe if the OP visits the MOTU website he might find some hardware they make no that would help with his MIDI issues.
They have some good gear.
Then again there may be others too, that allow MIDI manipulation without a PC.
Dennis

Hi Dennis,
found what I was refferring to in a museum haahaa, I had a 2 or 3 of them. I think it was the filter I had in mind, but not 100% sure now whether it would do the job anyway. http://www.keyboardmuseum.org/ar/a/anat/anat.html

I ended up with a midi patch bay in the end.

best wishes
rikki


[QUOTE]Originally posted by miden:
[B]

This company provides similar products http://www.midisolutions.com/products.htm

I think the Midi Router would do what you are talking about.

" One of the most obvious applications that is often overlooked for the Router is to filter specific types of MIDI messages or specific MIDI channels; not only can the Router can be programmed to route MIDI data to either of its two MIDI outputs, it's also possible to route MIDI data to neither of its outputs, effectively filtering it. The most common use of this function is to filter out selected MIDI channels to synthesizers or sound modules that receive in omni mode only and do not have the ability to turn individual MIDI channels on or off."

Also has the ability to split the keyboard and use selected ranges.

Hope this info helps



[This message has been edited by richard_shiflet (edited 04-05-2008).]

Hi Richard,
thanks for the link.

Currently my own setup with the PA800 as master & using either my sd2, sd1 or psr as a soundsource is working fine.
Haven't tried midiing more than one soundsource to the PA800 as yet.
The midi router you mentioned may be a solution for me down the track should I decide to use more than one soundsource.

Problem at the moment is, the SD2 isn't responding to to the Sys ex messages
because either
I've got it WRONG,
Typo error in the manual or
the operating system in mine has bugs , so not responding.

I'm going to try updating, working the sys ex out for the sd2 could come in handy.

thank you

best wishes
rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by richard_shiflet:
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Hello Everyone,thanks for debating my problem with muting midi on the sd2, I edit midi files on my pc with logic audio, then trigger various midi modules to get the sounds out, i use chan14 for midi lighting and reverb switching, chan9 for guitar patches, chan5 for M1, chan1 for sampler and chan2 for dmx lighting, then i dump the file to floppy(yes i know!!) then use a yam mdf2 sequencer to spit it out for live work, so i need to mute these chans on the ketron to stop the other chans recieving spurious program changes etc.i've used sound canvas and korg M1 modules for years and am able to mute these easily internally, the ketron sounds way better so I would like to use this now...sorry 2 go on a bit....my head hurts now

Hi,
I still haven't managed to get channels to mute on my sd2.
I got a couple of the other sysex messages working, but not the receiving of channels.

If I manage to work it out I'll let you know, as it would be a handy function for me also.
Have you tried the solton group??
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/solton/?yguid=69517899

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by getsmartnow:
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I'll give it a go here with my SD2 and report back the results found.

--Mac

There is a couple issues still pending over on the Ketron forum.
Looks like the guys at Ketron are of little help to us????

I'm not impressed...
I guess the owners of Ketron must be independently wealthy and don't care if they sell these things or not.

AJ is the guy Ketron USA that is supposed to be the tech. Rarely do we see him be very timely if at all.

Lucky we have all these smart folks here to help each other out.

I heard the sounds ae great on the SD2 ( SD4 is commig in July) so I may still get one.

My concern is if there is a bug in the OS...how do we get Ketron to fix it in a timely manner?

By the way when working with MIDI... MIDIOX is a free PC utility that is very helpfull for testing/trying things MIDI.

I do a fair amout of heavy MIDI stuff...wish I had a SD2, I would try to help out here.

Oh, also I thought I was told that to select any voice on the SD2, all you need to do is MIDI Bank/Program change??? True?

Thanks,

Lee

Hi Mac,
that would be brilliant.
Luv to know if it's just me, (not too cluey on sysex, hex codes etc) or whether it is a bug.
With my Korg PA800 as controller , the setup works perfectly, I don't need to worry about muting channels, i set the channels the sd2 receives via the korg, but with the psr as controller, it doesn't have the same midi functions as the korg, and being able to mute , or set sd2 to receive on certain channels would be so handy.

best wishes
Rikki

Hi Lee,
unfortunately help isn't all that readily available. Ketron manuals aren't that easy to make sense of either.
Might be worth waiting round for the sd4,especially if it has a screen & buttons??
For use with a pc the sd2 is fine, but for use as a soundmodule midied to a keyboard,
with a korg PA800/PA2x it's okay, but not too good with my sd1 or Psr.

Sounds are selected by Bank & program changes & the Korg is capable of sending them.

best wishes
Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by leeboy:
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I use the SD2 with an Axiom 61, or Roland Edirol PC 80 controller KB. A simple bank and program change brings up any voice. However, when I try and use my Muse Receptor with the SD2, I can't get the SD2 to mute, except turning it off. I, also, find it good with a pc, as a multitimbral module.
Bernie

It definitely seems that the SD2 would benefit from a master controller that has at least TWO independent MIDI outputs, so you can avoid having to mute any of it's channels by giving it it's own port. Same for computer use too... A multi-output MIDI interface is a basic necessity, IMO.

From all the input it sounds like the SD2 / SD4 might be fun!
I have heard the sounds are super duper.
Actually I heard a SD3 live here in town last week and AJ told me the SAD2 has the same sounds?

Question, does Ketron support include the ability to e-mail the folks in Italy?

Thanks for the info...
Lee

I bought two here http://www.ketronus.com/

I found Jay Salem to be very knowledgable and helpful.

No SD-4 listed yet... I thought it was here in the US in July...no Pricing or details yet?

Lee

SD 2 is the SD 5 without the arranger section and physical controls/keyboard

Bill