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#231835 - 04/10/08 08:08 AM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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#231845 - 04/10/08 08:11 PM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Lucky, I use the best equipment money can buy, and I provide the best performances I can possibly provide at NH jobs. I give them everything I've got and they deserve the best. I don't skimp on anything. And, because of this I'm booked solid. And, I agree, it takes a special person to perform at nursing homes, especially when you're getting older. It's like looking in a mirror. Most of the people you are performing for are wonderful folks that just happened to live longer than anyone could have anticipated. They outlived their bodies and minds, but they are still wonderful people and deserve the best--INCLUDING THE BEST EQUIPMENT! Cheers, Gary ------------------ Travlin' Easy
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#231846 - 04/10/08 09:07 PM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Well said Gary & Uncle Dave.
I have been using two JBL Eon10 G2s that I keep on the floor tilted up towards the ceiling. For larger rooms I bring poles.
As posted, I am changing to the FBT Maxx 2As because of the great reviews they have gotten. Spec-wise, they have much better bass response. In fact the frequency response is better than (now this is only on paper) the 12" Mackie SRM450s.
I'm into a quick setup and take down, because I do over 500 shows a year. Nursing and retirement homes make up 90% of my business.
But even though I want to get in and out quick, while I'm there, I want to play the best keyboard I can afford two of (the PSR-S900) and the best 10" powered speakers I can get my hands on. Maybe I would sound even better if I brought in a 70 lbs. subwoofer, but with a gig paying +- $150, you got to draw a line somewhere.
One little anecdote that is pertinent to this topic: It is quite frequent as a nursing home entertainer that I see the TV on with a Lawrence Welk video. The seniors usually don't pay any attention. Well I go to this one nursing home in Niles, IL, where, in the common area, they installed this awesome Bose surround sound system with a great subwoofer. Not only were the seniors paying attention to that Lawrence Welk video, but a few of them were clapping between songs!
Sound reinforcement is important.
By the way, I started out in the Chicago area playing with crappy speakers (and arriving with an unprofessional appearance), and ten years later, there are a few activity directors who are still around and won't hire me because of what they saw ten years ago. Put your best foot forward.
Beakybird
[This message has been edited by Beakybird (edited 04-10-2008).]
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#231851 - 04/11/08 06:14 AM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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There are two items in addition to my music gear that I never leave home without--hand sanitizer and a 7-inch floor fan. The Turbo-Fan was purchased at Target for just $6.95, it's very quiet, but quite powerful. It is three speed, black, and tilts upward so it can be placed on the floor beneath the keyboard so it blows the cooler air close to the floor upwards and keeps you comfortable. Most nursing homes are kept quite warm, even in the dead of winter.
Gary
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#231855 - 04/11/08 03:00 PM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Loc: N Fort Myers, FL, USA
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Yamaha PAs 300 in larger rooms, and Roland Cm-30s in smaller rooms with lower ceilings (I find they provide a much crisper clearer sound than the Yamaha Pas in that setting).
Graham
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#231860 - 04/11/08 04:34 PM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Donny, Most of the folks residing in nursing homes are not sick with diseases that are contageous. The vast majority have some form of dementia, stroke or cancer, and can no longer take care of themselves and their families don't want to take care of them. Consequently, they are warehoused in nursing homes and assisted living centers. Those that have contageous diseases are not usually permitted to come in contact with the general population of the NH because they can easily contaminate those who are not infected. In reality, your chances of contracting something contageous are probably greater from school-age grandchildren than from someone residing in a nursing home. As for the brand names of hand sanitizers there are dozens of them, and they pretty much all do the same thing--sterilize your hands. I use Sani-Wipes, which are inexpensive and don't leave any residue. I keep a container of them in the van, and one in my cable bag. I'm not worried about the patient giving me some, but instead, I worry more about me giving them something. Most are quite fragile and can not tollerate the slightest infection. Cheers, Gary ------------------ Travlin' Easy
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K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#231863 - 04/11/08 06:48 PM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Originally posted by travlin'easy: Donny,
Most of the folks residing in nursing homes are not sick with diseases that are contageous. The vast majority have some form of dementia, stroke or cancer, and can no longer take care of themselves and their families don't want to take care of them. Consequently, they are warehoused in nursing homes and assisted living centers.
Those that have contageous diseases are not usually permitted to come in contact with the general population of the NH because they can easily contaminate those who are not infected.
In reality, your chances of contracting something contageous are probably greater from school-age grandchildren than from someone residing in a nursing home.
As for the brand names of hand sanitizers there are dozens of them, and they pretty much all do the same thing--sterilize your hands. I use Sani-Wipes, which are inexpensive and don't leave any residue. I keep a container of them in the van, and one in my cable bag. I'm not worried about the patient giving me some, but instead, I worry more about me giving them something. Most are quite fragile and can not tollerate the slightest infection.
Cheers,
Gary
Thank You Dr. Wizard!!!
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#231866 - 04/11/08 09:24 PM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Loc: N Fort Myers, FL, USA
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The personal contact with NH residents is very often what they miss. While I do not subscribe to Lucky's equipment philosophy, I am totally with you with your personal touch. I and any others who accompany me always spend the time at the end giving the residents a hug, a blessing, a handshake, some loving words, whatever is appropriate.
Some will ask you to pray with them, and then next time tell you what a difference it made.
Their hearts are opened by the wonderful music you have shared. Giving that extra personal attention just completes a wonderful experience for them (and me).
Graham
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#231868 - 04/11/08 10:13 PM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Graham and the others,
I think I really need to clear up this "garbage equipment" remark that a few of you got upset over, although I’m certainly not apologizing for it.
I meant "garbage" in relation to today's keyboards with all the frills on them. I'm using a 10 year old Roland that hasn‘t failed once in all this time (and this is by choice and NOT because of finances). That doesn't mean it "sounds" garbage. It actually gives me a very full and versatile sound. The organ and string patches are full, warm and rich, brass cuts through when I need it, trumpets not great sounding…but with a lot of pitch bend and vibrato can be made to sound presentable, accordion is a very sweet musette sound, bells (as in I‘m Getting Married in the Morning) are striking, orchestra patch simulates a full orchestra fairly well, fiddle (for square dance music) fits right in the pocket, electric pianos a little hollow but passable, guitars..again with pitch bend and vibrato can sound very jazzy, throw in a good dance pattern with lots of "fills," good singing, pick the right songs, and you’ve got a working formula.
You’ve all missed the point of my first post: Point: Don’t get caught up in the keyboard and speaker wars. Use the time to work on your act. At one time I played three keyboards simultaneously on stage and had a fantastic sound. Sure I miss it, but I’m more concerned about giving my audience more meat and potatoes now. After all, if they want to hear pretty music they can listen to Lawrence Welk on a CD player. I give them dynamic/exciting music that “moves them” (which is what Activity Directors love to see).
That’s not to say what you folks do in your performance is incorrect. If it works, go for it. I find this is what works for me. They don’t care if I share “new” equipment with them , but they certainly care whether or not I share MYSELF! And, believe me, if I thought for one second I was short-changing my audience, I’d be at Sam Ash the next morning with checkbook in hand.
Mama Leone’s Restaurant (in NY) used to throw out this saying: Give them good food and plenty of it, and they’ll come back for more. My motto, based on that, has always been: “give them good MUSIC and plenty of it and they’ll come back for more!”
P.S. Try going through a “musical trivia” routine with them to “jar” their memories. The “fan” idea was good….I’d like to hear a few more if you don’t mind. I’m always looking to improve!
Lucky
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#231879 - 04/12/08 07:38 AM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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John, I can answer some of your questions. Performing the NH circuit requires organization of everything. Your equipment, in particular, must be easy to set up and tear down, thereby allowing you to be able to get in, perform, schmooze, reload the gear in your car, then drive to the next job and do the same thing again. And, of course, you must carry some essential spares, just in case. One thing that I personally consider as essential is my trusy GPS. Not only will it take you to locations where you have never performed, but additionally, it can route you around traffic jams, which in this part of the world is a constant problem. Contracts are easily created on your computer using any word processor. I have an old program called "It's Legal" that has sample contracts in it and allows you do copy the contract to your word processor and a document file. Then it's just a matter of filling in the blanks. QuickBooks is a great tool for getting those invoices out, and keeping track of who has paid and who has not paid. It's an easy programn to use and not that expensive. Print Shop is among my favorites for printing advertising media. You can design and create flyers, banners, posters, cards and calanders using the program, then mail them to current and perspective clients. Creating a mailing list is easy. You can find all the Nursing Homes, assisted living centers, retirement communities, alzheimers centers, etc.. just by doing a few Google searches. Then it's just a matter of selecting the ones you want, copy the information into your word processor or data base program and you've just created a comprehensive mail list. Targeting the audience, however, requires a bit more work--but not much more. Essentially, you have to get your advertisments to the current activities directors. This means you must call each location and merely ask the name of the activities director. Now you have someone to send the advertising media to and not have it end up in the junk mail pile that will get tossed into the dumpster. It's a good idea to update the AD list once every six months. The younger ones tend to change locations regularly, which is good news for you. When they move to a new facility they are often looking for entertainers at the new location. They call the ones they've had good results from in the past. Rates of pay vary throughout the world, but on average in the U.S. the rate is approximately $100 per hour. The rate is usually double on certain holidays, Christmas Day, New Year's Eve, Thanksgiving, Easter, etc.., holidays that most individuals like to spend with their families. Rates have increased at some facilities over the past two years because of the rising gasoline costs, and some now pay up to $150 per hour. Hope this helps, Gary ------------------ Travlin' Easy
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PSR-S950, TC Helicon Harmony-M, Digitech VR, Samson Q7, Sennheiser E855, Custom Console, and lots of other silly stuff!
K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#231881 - 04/12/08 07:49 AM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Registered: 04/06/08
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Originally posted by travlin'easy: John,
I can answer some of your questions.
Performing the NH circuit requires organization of everything. Your equipment, in particular, must be easy to set up and tear down, thereby allowing you to be able to get in, perform, schmooze, reload the gear in your car, then drive to the next job and do the same thing again. And, of course, you must carry some essential spares, just in case. One thing that I personally consider as essential is my trusy GPS. Not only will it take you to locations where you have never performed, but additionally, it can route you around traffic jams, which in this part of the world is a constant problem.
Contracts are easily created on your computer using any word processor. I have an old program called "It's Legal" that has sample contracts in it and allows you do copy the contract to your word processor and a document file. Then it's just a matter of filling in the blanks.
QuickBooks is a great tool for getting those invoices out, and keeping track of who has paid and who has not paid. It's an easy programn to use and not that expensive.
Print Shop is among my favorites for printing advertising media. You can design and create flyers, banners, posters, cards and calanders using the program, then mail them to current and perspective clients.
Creating a mailing list is easy. You can find all the Nursing Homes, assisted living centers, retirement communities, alzheimers centers, etc.. just by doing a few Google searches. Then it's just a matter of selecting the ones you want, copy the information into your word processor or data base program and you've just created a comprehensive mail list.
Targeting the audience, however, requires a bit more work--but not much more. Essentially, you have to get your advertisments to the current activities directors. This means you must call each location and merely ask the name of the activities director. Now you have someone to send the advertising media to and not have it end up in the junk mail pile that will get tossed into the dumpster. It's a good idea to update the AD list once every six months. The younger ones tend to change locations regularly, which is good news for you. When they move to a new facility they are often looking for entertainers at the new location. They call the ones they've had good results from in the past.
Rates of pay vary throughout the world, but on average in the U.S. the rate is approximately $100 per hour. The rate is usually double on certain holidays, Christmas Day, New Year's Eve, Thanksgiving, Easter, etc.., holidays that most individuals like to spend with their families. Rates have increased at some facilities over the past two years because of the rising gasoline costs, and some now pay up to $150 per hour.
Hope this helps,
Gary Wow gary .... Great info thank you so much. Where did you ever learn how top do all this? I see I have lots of work ahead of me, but I think it will all be worth it in many ways in the end result. I have only performed in my community & the audience danced sang along & enjoyed themselves. Thats what got me thinking this route.
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#231882 - 04/12/08 09:42 AM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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John, I picked up a lot of information from some of the long-time members of this and other forums, but the vast majority of this is just a common sense business approach. The computer and Internet are fantastic business tools, and without them it would be very time consuming to do all the necessary tasks and still have time to perform. Good luck, Gary ------------------ Travlin' Easy
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#231885 - 04/12/08 11:50 PM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Gary is right on the money here. Good organization is a necessity and the key to making it all work. The one hour of playing is the easy part. All the paperwork, instrument maintenance, and travel time that’s involved is where it gets tricky.
I got my equipment down to a quick 4 minute setup/tear-down and wheel it out on a R&R cart that you can push with one finger and will fold up to save space.
If there is not a piano in the place that I can play if my arranger breaks down, I DO bring a spare arranger (and amp and mike) that I leave in my vehicle.
Travel: A GPS is good. I prefer to use computer maps to draw out my route so I can make up alternate routes in case of unexpected traffic. Always carry maps of the county’s you are going through in case you get lost on the way to the job. Never go on a toll road if you can help it. If there is an accident, you'll be stuck between toll booths with no way to get off and you can kiss your paycheck goodbye.
And always carry the location phone # and the police dept # of the town and if you’re approaching start time and still 5 miles from where you’re playing, call them every 5 minutes to tell them your progress (I live in an extremely high traffic area).
For the paperwork, I found it useful to set up my own database of events (using Works). When someone books always enter the booking date, all pertinent names of peoples involved in the booking, and every iota of info about the job and whatever you might need later to refer back to. I even enter the personalities of the girls who run activities dept’s to remind me how to talk to them. Definitely keep notes of all the times you’re in contact with them, because the girls will think nothing about canceling you out because they “double-booked” or some other irresponsible reason. This way I can tell them “ you booked me on……” “I sent you confirmations on…..” etc.
Once I take a booking and have ALL my info, the procedure goes like this: I set up a “report” program on the database so I FAX a “confirmation” sheet within 24 hours advising them if the date and time are not correct, to advise me immediately. Next step: one week before the event, FAX another confirmation sheet to make sure your date hasn’t been given away. Then...play the event. When you get home, immediately FAX an invoice to them and mark the date. Also mark the “payment schedule” (how long it takes for them to pay so you know when to call them if you don’t get your check). All this is done from ONE database by pressing different tabs. The nursing home circuit now is disorganized relative to what it was a few years ago….massive amounts of paperwork!
For my flyers, I use CorelDraw, but any graphics program is good. Never, never telephone an Activities Director. You can grow a beard in the time it takes to get through to one (if you ever actually do). Unless you live in a LESS dense area where the girls have time to pick up the phone. I happen to live where there are more nursing homes than fast food restaurants even!
A tip here which I’ll eventually start doing. A friend, who does a OMB on the steel drums (of all instruments) did an informal demo of about a dozen songs. He burned it to CD, labeled it, duplicated it and mailed it out to 8 nursing homes. He got 8 bookings back @ $200 a pop.
My own pay ranges from $125 to $175 for the hour. But then again I think it’s more the area I live in. The problem now, and it is getting worse, is that you have an abundance of guys going out for $25 and some even going out for a tuna fish sandwich! They’ve been laid off from their jobs and picking up instruments and undercutting the pro’s. Many do it for nothing just to get out of the house. And then there are the “volunteers” (senior barbershop quartets, high school choir groups, church groups, etc) who also just want to get out of the house.
An overall summnation can be given thusly: It ain’t easy doing nursing homes these days. I said “playing the job” is a piece of cake. It’s everything in-between that drains you. Too much paperwork to keep track of if you’re doing a lot of events and lately the traffic is starting to really infringe on the whole experience.
Still nothing can beat the feeling of happiness you achieve both for yourself and your audience after you’ve finished performing.
Again, everything Gary said here is just the way it is. Not much else to add.
I’m still interested in trading (playing) ideas from some of you who are doing this type of work. I’ve got a ton of thoughts myself, but I’m always interested in hearing something new.
Lucky
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#231890 - 04/13/08 12:21 PM
Re: What sound system do you use for Nursing Homes
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Most nursing homes and assisted living centers work with a specific annual budget that is dedicated to entertainment. Naturally, they try to stretch those dollars as much as possible. When an AD comes across a top-notch performer/entertainer, one that not only interacts with the audiences but additionally keeps on top of things business-wise, they're willing to pay them more. I recently had an AD who was giving me a problem. She was new, uncertified, had a "holier than thou" attitude, and until the previous AD left she was nothing more than an unpaid volunteer. She wangled her way into the job, obviously not having a clue about what it entailed. The first thing she did was to try to cut the prices by 25 percent. I politely informed her what my fee was, and that all the 2008 jobs booked at that facility were booked in September of 2007. And, the jobs were under contract for the specified amount. Her response was "I can get anyone I want to play for $50 an hour." Then, when the check for my last performance came in and was short, I called and told her that she must have made a mistake. At that point she said "Well, you should be glad I paid you $75 because I only pay the other performers $50." I reminded her that they were not in complience with the contract, at which point she got real bitchy, then hung up the phone. A day later, while playing another location just a few blocks away, I stopped in at the faclity with a copy of the contract, talked with the CEO and general manager, went over the contract, picked up a check for the balance due, and then cancelled any future engagements as long as the AD from Hell was still working there. The facility's owner called me the next day, applolgized for the AD's inapropriate action and said they were taking steps to have her replaced in the next few weeks. The owner also said she really enjoyed my performances and asked me to please contact them sometime in early July when they anticipated they would have a new AD. Things like this happen--but fortunately, however, they are rare. BTW: The CEO said they would be willing to pay me $25 more than they did previously because of the professional way I handled the problem and conducted my business. There's no short-cuts with the paperwork, advertising, bookkeeping, etc.. However, if you organize everything on your computer, you can keep this part of the operation down to a minimum. Cheers, Gary ------------------ Travlin' Easy
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PSR-S950, TC Helicon Harmony-M, Digitech VR, Samson Q7, Sennheiser E855, Custom Console, and lots of other silly stuff!
K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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