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#232456 - 04/19/08 02:58 AM Re: Translating Yamaha styles
Diki Offline


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Well, just point me off to a few and I'll get back to you.

No doubt the Wersi can sound more live and full than a Yamaha... hard NOT to, in all honesty.

It's the guitars and basses that I haven't yet heard better, at least in style mode. Are there any demos that head to head some of the unplugged styles, the picking patterns and strumming stuff?

I'd like to hear it a bit more naked...
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#232457 - 04/19/08 03:45 PM Re: Translating Yamaha styles
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Hi Bill,
thats' great. ( the guitar velocities etc)

As for EMC XT, it'll be interesting to see if one day it will even do what it's supposed to ie read the PA800 files.

best wishes
Rikki
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Additionally I don’t think the current Styleworks (XT) supports the Wersi OAA format, whereas the program inside the Wersi does.
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#232458 - 04/19/08 05:23 PM Re: Translating Yamaha styles
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
It's the guitars and basses that I haven't yet heard better, at least in style mode. Are there any demos that head to head some of the unplugged styles, the picking patterns and strumming stuff?

I'd like to hear it a bit more naked...


Here are MP3's of some MEGA VOICE styles from my S900...at 192 kbps.

Just played over one chord...all four variations...long intros and endings.

http://www.4shared.com/file/35852669/28fc0c37/Flamenco.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/35852686/26c03c28/GuitarSerenade.html
http://www.4shared.com/file/35852718/1178c051/Unplugged1.html

Ian
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#232459 - 04/20/08 01:47 AM Re: Translating Yamaha styles
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Those names are the ACTUAL names of those styles, Ian?

Maybes we can get a Wersi owner to post untweaked files of the same styles. Perhaps we can get a REAL head to head...

Cage grudge match... Two arrangers enter. One arranger leaves...

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 04-20-2008).]
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#232460 - 04/20/08 02:58 AM Re: Translating Yamaha styles
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Don’t have the OAA so cannot provide direct comparisons, (Hopefully other owners on the site will be able to provide them) however here is a link to some styles (Some of which I believe are Yamaha) http://wersiworld.com/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60&Itemid=61 (How the styles were recorded I have no information on, (Including Revision number) however additional sounds and drums were added in later revisions, as well as a reworking of some of the existing sounds) and if you do a search on the web you should find more.
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#232461 - 04/20/08 03:36 AM Re: Translating Yamaha styles
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Quote:
Originally posted by Diki:
Those names are the ACTUAL names of those styles, Ian?

Maybes we can get a Wersi owner to post untweaked files of the same styles. Perhaps we can get a REAL head to head...



Ye, Diki, those are the style names.

Not too long ago, someone wanted to post a comparison...I thought it was Bill (abacus), and both versions (Wersi and Yamaha) were posted in the thread...in fact, I put up the same three styles.

I just can't remember the thread topic.

Ian
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#232462 - 04/20/08 06:59 AM Re: Translating Yamaha styles
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Hi Ian
Here is the thread you mentioned http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/016843.html

Regards

Bill
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#232463 - 04/20/08 07:05 AM Re: Translating Yamaha styles
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Great stuff, Bill...as they say here on Cape Breton Island, "You're some smart"!

Thank you for finding the thread.

Ian the Grateful
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#232464 - 04/20/08 11:24 AM Re: Translating Yamaha styles
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
Yeah, thanks... Don't know why I didn't read this one and comment back then!

In all fairness, only the Flamenco got close, IMO, Bill. No doubt, all the other elements of the style were superior on the Wersi, handclaps were delicious, etc., But there were some subtle things in the guitar part that the Yamaha was still superior, but overall, this one WAS a good conversion (oops! sorry, shouldn't use the 'C' word ).

But the other two... Sorry. Close, but no cigar.

But once again, I guess the fact that Wersi spent so much time (and presumable a LOT of money to license the technology from Yamaha) to make the Wersi Yamaha compatible just proves the point...

The CONTENT, not the arranger, is what most players consider the most important factor in an arranger. The best sounds in the world, without styles that make the best possible use of them are of little use... This is where the boutique arranger makers either don't have the budget, or just don't get the importance of this aspect of the arranger market. An inferior arranger with superior styles will win the game every time...
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#232465 - 04/20/08 09:57 PM Re: Translating Yamaha styles
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Diki, does that last comment mean that you still think that Wersi is lacking in the style department?

Their homebuild styles also sound sensationall...

I got a chance this weekend to hear and play them (both tyros 2 and Wersi Abacus) last satturday on the same PA... And while the Tyros sounds awesoem, the Wersi was in a league of its own... but then its about 3 times as expensive as a Tyros without even having all options that i want...
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