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#232595 - 04/20/08 02:17 AM Re: What are "Pro" instruments?
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Originally posted by cgiles:
When I see some or most rational, reasonable, diplomatic, members, who themselves are seasoned pros, starting to get defensive and viewing alternative points-of-view about arranger usage, as being anti-arranger, then I know it's about time to stop having this discussion. Like I said before, who cares how someone else classifies your instrument of choice. JMO.

chas


Yep... There are some bloody awful drivers on the road out there, today. But you don't get defensive about your car

Somebody rails about bad arranger players and their use of these instruments. Why get defensive about it..? It's not YOU they are talking about, is it?

But just because YOU are a good driver doesn't mean there aren't bad ones out there...

Trust me, the arranger hasn't got it's bad rep from most of the players HERE... But the rep IS earned.
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#232596 - 04/20/08 05:55 AM Re: What are "Pro" instruments?
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Registered: 06/24/05
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The first time I played an arranger I thought I had died and gone to heaven. It's an awesome instrument. And I own a 6' Yamaha grand piano and I've had B 3's. But my arranger is a whole orchestra. And I don't know about your budgets, but mine won't pay for me hauling around 20 or 30 musicians wherever I play. The arranger does that job for me. If I heard that starting tomorrow they would no longer make arrangers, I'd buy a couple of spares to last me through retirement. Long live arrangers!

Joe

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#232597 - 04/20/08 06:47 AM Re: What are "Pro" instruments?
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Registered: 09/29/05
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Boy oh Boy, this is like the Democratic Primary. You'd surely better watch every word you say. For instance; I made the mistake of using the words 'expensive toy'. I meant it in the same sense as when referring to a Porsche Carrera, TOTL Zero Turn Mower, 50 bottle Wine Cooler, Ducati Motorcycle, Trophy Wife, 70" Plasma TV (in the media room, of course), iPhone, Arranger Keyb.....whoops. But of course that was enough to launch the loyal opposition into attack mode. Ease up, guys. It wasn't meant as an attack on your...scratch that, OUR precious and irreplaceable musical tools-of-the-trade. Seems no matter how one tries to explain oneself, there is always someone around to parse out one word or phrase, no matter how innocent or obvious the true intent, to rally the troops in a holy war against the infidels. By golly, I think it's high time that we sent out missionaries to spread the word about arrangers and convert the thousands, nay, millions, of heathens who have not yet been touched by IT'S grace. And why the hell not? After all, it IS an Arranger forum, right?

chas

BTW, I just gotta stop spending so much money on things I hate.
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#232598 - 04/20/08 07:44 AM Re: What are "Pro" instruments?
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I read somewhere:

A Bus station....is where the bus stops.
A Train station..is where the train stops..
so, WHY would I want a WORK station in my arsenal?
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#232599 - 04/20/08 08:01 AM Re: What are "Pro" instruments?
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Work?

That's why I became a musician...so I wouldn't have to work.

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#232600 - 04/20/08 08:11 AM Re: What are "Pro" instruments?
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Registered: 09/29/05
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Quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
I read somewhere:

A Bus station....is where the bus stops.
A Train station..is where the train stops..
so, WHY would I want a WORK station in my arsenal?


Good point, UD. I, myself, seem to have an adverse reaction to work. Might be the one thing all musicians have in common.

chas
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#232601 - 04/20/08 08:33 AM Re: What are "Pro" instruments?
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Registered: 09/11/07
Posts: 44
Loc: Baltimore MD USA
Kingfrog, you hit the nail on the head. I picked up the sax when I was 22 yesrs old about 48 years ago. I never expected to play infront of anyone or make any money, I just wanted to play the sax. I started honking against the basement wall, self taught. I can read a little but not enought to hurt my playing any. I have played in just about every sh.. house in Baltimore at one time or other. I've worked in groups with some of Baltimore s best. I've worked full time, part time I allways worked whenever I wanted to. Of course I have been critisized by some Peabody graduates sitting in the audience, but I'm makeing money and they are out there listening.

I started fooling around with the keyboard when the first Dx7 came out. I developed some farely good left hand bass paterns. but never played out. It was'nt untill I purchased a psr 8000 that I toyed with the idea of solo work. The horn was getting a little heavy around my neck. I broke into the NH business about 4 years ago I have about 15 monthly cliants and I have two water front venues that I work one day a week each in the summer. I could not do what I'm doing with out the arranger keyboard. I am now the proud oner of Two T2s. I have a less than average voice and my playing skills are limited but I,ve been fortunate enought to keep working.

Some of the keybordist that I've played horn with over the years who have paid there dues are a little contemptious about what I've been able to acomplish. I love music and I love to entertain. I think it takes God given talant to be sucsessful. And of course an arranger keyboard.

My two cents,

Jim

Geeze I with this forum had spell check!!
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#232602 - 04/20/08 09:29 AM Re: What are "Pro" instruments?
cgiles Offline
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Registered: 09/29/05
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Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
Quote:
Originally posted by JIMSAX:

Geeze I with this forum had spell check!!


The forum doesn't need it. If you're using Windows, you have it. Check for a symbol that says ABC with a check mark. If you don't see it, you may have to initialize it.

chas

PS: Don't know anything about Mac's. They're like the Arranger keyboards of the computer world .
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#232603 - 04/20/08 11:57 AM Re: What are "Pro" instruments?
John DiLeo Offline
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Registered: 04/06/08
Posts: 245
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Originally posted by cgiles:
PS: Don't know anything about Mac's. They're like the Arranger keyboards of the computer world.


When does the slamming of Arrangers KB's ever end? I dont get it? I love my arranger KB & always will. Isn't that why we're all here on this forum?

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#232604 - 04/20/08 12:13 PM Re: What are "Pro" instruments?
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My late Uncle Jim used to say, "When someone keeps trying to kick you in the ass, you must be ahead of them".


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