Yeah, you're right Chas...there will always be that division.

Personally I don't give a vole's colon how an instrument is classed...as long as it works for my stuff.

I just happen to like instruments that don't weigh a lot, but still sound very good.

As the Nord C1 has proved to you, weight does not reflect quality or performance.

I feel the same way about my S900.

Ian

Just My Take !!

Hammond organ, a home instrument ? Maybe , but , there are a hell of a lot of old ( and new ) B3`s being played live.

As for arrangers , you have to not only be able to play , you have to know what and when to push to right buttons.
Breaks , fill-in`s instrument changes , etc.

Arrangers are in many ways MORE pro than a "straight" instrument.

The only time you get a break is at the end of a song !!

Like I said , just my thoughts.

Later ,
Gary 

So I lay play left hand chords all the time whats the big deal? is there left hand chord police watching me play? Who cares as long as it sounds good & I'm having fun? As far as Im concerned if you make money with the instrument, its "PRO" period!

This, of course, from the one who is CONSTANTLY reminding us that we ARE playing 'home keyboards'...

If you don't give a vole's colon (or a shrew's sphincter, a raccoon's rectum?!) either way, what POSSIBLE reason would you have for saying that?

Sand in the Vaseline, maybe??

John, still not quite sure why the chip on the shoulder? No-one is saying anything bad about arrangers. Like I said, use them and love them myself. Do nearly 100% of everything I do on one...

Just trying to point out that there are as many things you CAN'T do on an arranger as you can't do with any other type of keyboard.

Just curious, John, but have you ever played keyboards in a band? Can you play the piano? Ever used your LH in a non-arranger role? If not, well, firstly, there's a LOT more than simple LH chords you can use that sucker for. You might cut a little slack for those who DID learn other techniques. And, if you did, then surely you DO understand what the tyranny of the LH input system does to your playing...?

No-one is putting it down (use it myself!), just pointing out there ARE compromises.

I've always felt, in a way, that playing the arranger is a bit like being a conductor. The only problem is that, although they SOUND like a great ensemble, they are dumb as two planks! Turn away from conducting to play your own instrument for ONE SECOND, and they completely lose their way!

If I don't keep reminding you, you're gonna let this stuff go to your head....of course, IF it does...there must have been room for it.

Wock on!


Ian

PS...bet ya had to look up "vole".


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Ian....No Chips here, I understand what you saying & do play LH bass when needed besides mostly triad chords + more.
But it just seems we're always defending our playing & our purchases & what's right & wrong. When I would rather just discuss playing techniques, tips & tricks, etc wouldn't you?.. & also how we can help each other play better no matter what level people think they're at or what type music they enjoy performing..

BTW, yes I have played a few instruments with bands years ago organ & sax being some of them.

John, you have Diki and I mixed up...can't understand how, since I'm more intelligent and far more modest.

I did have a coffee instead of tea today, so maybe that caused the confusion.

Actually, I'm on your side...I play arranger using LH chords and stuff.

Diki is far more rambunctious...hardly ever plays normal chords... mostly argumented, demented and demolished...and these are played with several fingers and an appendage or two to add depth.

Shhhhhh...don't mention that I told you this...Diki's very modest.

Ian

That's a new take, Ian.
Is that the polite version of the FUBAR method????


John

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As we say in the South AMEN! I personally am sick of seeing arrangers put down. This is an arranger forum for goodness sake. I wish those who look down on arrangers and arranger players would go somewhere else.
DonM