See, this is what happens when there's no bickering. I don't know about anybody else, but I'm bored.

Fran, why don't you post a tune.

How about; 'Who has made the more important contribution to music in the last half century - Charlie Parker and John Coltrane OR Donny and Marie'.

Are waterfall keys necessary to play a jazz organ 'lick'.

Are 'SA voices' better than good-quality soft-synth voices? (however you answer, I disagree - ok?).

Are arrangers really inferior to synths or workstations?

Are arranger PLAYERS inferior to 'elite' traditional players?

Is OMB the same as Karaoke?

Is Karaoke the same as DJing?

Is DJing cheating? If no, what about if he/she walks away from the turntable while it's playing.

Is Cape Breton really a Yamaha-sponsored leper colony?

Does Diki really exist? Did he really send his only begotten son (Donny) to be ......nevermind.

Can someone, anyone, verify a miracle, so that Capt. Russ can finally get his well-deserved sainthood.

Which is the most important skill for the job of president of the US; basketball or bowling?

Please feel free to add any additional silly sh-t we can use for future bickering.

chas

Chas, you're just too damn bright and creative to ever be seriously pissed off at.


Nice try, though. Again, you're right to point out some of the silliness.


R.

How can you tell if you've gotten a letter from a Cape Bretoner?

There's a tongue stuck to the envelope.

I think, therefore I am.... I think!

Nice try Chas, but the forum is still boring these days.........

And would this be the same tongue usually found in cheek?

I think Diki's over-thinking this whole thing.

chas

Five bucks says Zuki's first name is Su.

chas

In martial arts we call a punch a "zuki".

Better not call him Su.

very similiar when arranger player walks away from "arranger keyboard"

but WHO CARES....

A Workstation or a Digital Piano (both fine instruments by the way ) have their advantages and disadvantages as far as what they're used for and how they are used. A Workstation in all practicality is an all inclusive (all in one box) concept for making music, whether live or in the studio. What is suppose to make a Workstation a true Workstation, in my opinion anyway, is certain features that are considered essential for the professional musician to accomplish his musicianship. First off, the keyboard would normally have more than 61 keys but that is not always the case since Workstations do come in the 61 key flavor as well. Secondly, they should have a "real" micro-editing Sampler as well as at least a 16 track micro-editing Sequencer. Thirdly, it should have expansion capability so as to stave off premature obsolescence. Fourthly, it should have other professional cutting edge features that place it in a class by itself in terms of quality and functionality. With a workstation you are usually playing in the context of a band setting or as possibly a solo act while using backing tracks and/or custom performances set up by the User to call up specific patches (Roland) Combi's (Korg) or Voices (Yamaha) whilst playing. Workstations are also extremely well suited for the Studio where the User is able to create sophisticated and complex musical arrangements and ideas from scratch with all the tools necessary to do so at his fingertips. On a greater scale workstations are incorporating the use of computers to accomplish these objectives, bringing into play an even greater means at the Users disposal to accomplish his or her musical requirements or necessities. So in reality you can and are a one man band of sorts when using a workstation although it is accomplished with different methods.

A Digital Piano follows a similar path, as far as todays Digital Pianos are concerned anyway, but are more geared toward Live performance (on Stage in other words) as opposed to in the Studio. Digital Pianos usually don't have Samplers and usually aren't expandable like a workstation. Their primary purpose is what their name entails, that is, playing "Piano" sounds. Whether that be AC Piano, EP, or Clavinet sounds. Todays Digital Pianos are more sophisticated than their former predecessors in that they usually have many more sounds in other categories such as Organ, Bell, Mallet, Strings, Woodwind, etc. But they are geared toward Pianists and used primarily within a 'live' performance setting.

Arrangers, on the other hand, have many of the capabilities that workstations and digital pianos do (at least the high-end ones anyway) but are also unique unto themselves in several ways. Arrangers are usually always fully midi compatible and therefore midi is an important part of their appeal. Also, they are the epitome of what the term OMB means so far as the user playing the instrument (keyboard) with his arsenal of Band accompaniment weapons, that is; Styles, Multipads, Midi's, Registrations, etc. along with the keyboardists own use of sounds, split points, layering, in conjunction with these functions to make him sound like a whole orchestra or band. The negative with arrangers are their propensity to sound mechanical and/or robotic because the Styles and Multipads are looped based and limit the musicians musical expressiveness to sound natural, flowing, and rhythmical as one could within the context of a "real live band" setting. The key to making arrangers a blessing instead of a curse is in the timing and also the ability to make the instrument sound and play as much as possible just like the real thing i.e. the way a real instrument(s) sounds and plays within a real live band setting. To say the least, it can be rather difficult to pull off but with enough practice and patience it can be done, at least to a degree anyway. Michel Voncken is a good example of expert arranger playing. And also the entertainment factor is a big part of it too. You can be a great arranger player but if you don't entertain the crowd and aren't an "entertainer" so to speak, then that will, needless to say, diminish your effectiveness as an OMB'er as well.

Still bored??

Best,
Mike

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WOW ... lots of time on your hands, Mike ?
t.

WTMW - way too many words. I can't read that much that fast in the morning.

The real question is why has Scott Yee returned? Has he tired of lurking in silence and longs for that 'friendly' tete-a-tete with Fran and Donny OR is he planning to buy a PA2X as a replacement for his T2 and has dropped in to read the masterful reviews.

I think the most important contribution to music in the last 100 years was made by Iron Butterfly when they recorded "Inna Godda Da Vida".

Tom

Did they stand or sit when they played?

chas

Was it 61 keys or 76??? ... built in speakers ???

t.

Which style & variation should I use for the 20 minute Drum solo in that song?

You guys totally crack me up.

Fran, why don't you post a tune.

- Dunno, gotta ask Fran about it. ;-)

How about; 'Who has made the more important contribution to music in the last half century - Charlie Parker and John Coltrane OR Donny and Marie'.

- Laurens Hammond. :-D

Are waterfall keys necessary to play a jazz organ 'lick'.

- Noupe. :-)

Are 'SA voices' better than good-quality soft-synth voices? (however you answer, I disagree - ok?).

- Naaah, not really, but they are cooler. ;-)

Are arrangers really inferior to synths or workstations?

- In some areas inferior, in some other superior. :-P

Are arranger PLAYERS inferior to 'elite' traditional players?

- Well, any player is inferior to 'elite' players (be it traditional or non-traditional. ;-)

Is OMB the same as Karaoke?

- Nope, OMB doesn't require singing. :-p

Is Karaoke the same as DJing?

- Nope, Karaoke doesn't include messing around with knobs and faders. ;-)

Is DJing cheating? If no, what about if he/she walks away from the turntable while it's playing.

- Well, if he walks away from turntable it's cheating (or he might got thirsty), if he don't walk away it's still cheating, unless he keep messing around with knobs and faders. :-))

Is Cape Breton really a Yamaha-sponsored leper colony?

- What's Cape Breton, or where is it?! :-D

Does Diki really exist? Did he really send his only begotten son (Donny) to be ......nevermind.

- He exist, virtually. :-P

Can someone, anyone, verify a miracle, so that Capt. Russ can finally get his well-deserved sainthood.

- Gotta ask mr. Ratzinger (the Pope) about that. ;-)

Which is the most important skill for the job of president of the US; basketball or bowling?

- Reading picture books up-side-down. :-D

I saw a killer jazz keyboard player last night.
He watched me work for two hours.
Hank told me he ran into the rest of the band yesterday at Salvation Army. Hank was dropping some old clothes off and they were shopping.
DonM

Forget clothing donations to this jazz player, Don. You're so damn tall I'd have to tie knots in the legs of the pants!

"Shorty" Lay

(Really funny, enjoyable stuff, folks)!

Speaking of the Salvation Army, their counterpart, the Salvation Navy, is having trouble with recruiting volunteers.

It seems no one is willing to sit in a rowboat with a bass drum in their lap.

(credit to master-thinker George Carlin)

Eddie

George IS the MASTER, Eddie!

R.

DonM is an elitist.

chas

PS: Hank, too.

Just now passed the jazz drummer standing by the road with a sign that said "Will not work for anything, but will gig for drinks".

DonM

Now that's just mean. Russ, helpppp.


chas

Hey, Don, know why country players only play three finger chords? They use one finger to pick their nose!


Russ

Yep, you can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.
DonM

I sure hope they come out with some new keyboards soon

Zuki....now what? you not happy with the Korg Pa800 anymore....again?

Don, what about a REALLY GOOD FRIEND?


"Snotty" old Russ

No Donny, bored with this thread

I hope so......or are you out of
"Change Keyboard SERUM" My bottle is almost empty also don't feel bad

Yeah... C'mon Yamaha. Let's get more out about the T3...

Or we might have to actually talk about MUSIC. And where's the fun in that?

Well we know its 61 keys & for many it all stops there

BTW diki ......your Business card?



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Given up egging people on for their music, Donny?

No need to put words in my mouth by your misunderstanding. I love the PA800. It's the best arranger on the planet.

Wow! What a coincidence...

So is mine

Aren't we the lucky pair?

Music Diki? whats that? you wont see that here ....just add business cards to the list too no prob?



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One two cha cha cha.

Joe

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Joe Ayala

Yep...good night Irene