To be fair the new Yamaha Tyros3 will have USB 2.0 so things are looking up compared to T2. Still, many questions have yet to be answered about T3, like "real" Sampler or just Sample "player" like T2? Microscopic Edit function in Sequencer or same ol' basic Edit function like T1/T2 Sequencer? The biggest improvement for Tyros3 may be the USB 2.0 interface and not much else perhaps..

We will know after summer NAMM for sure. Tyros3 will be "officially" announced at that time. But regardless of whether the T3 is lame duck or next hot ticket item I will NOT be forking my money over for one. I would buy in a second if T3 made room and came with those 15 extra keys and didn't weigh close to a metric ton. >> (figure of speech and joke of course) but you get the point right?

In theory, Yamaha could gain a total of 50 percent more new customers by making a 76 key totl arranger. A recent poll said at "least" "1/2" of the people surveyed preferred 76 keys over a 61 key counterpart. >> Not only did they prefer 76 keys, most would not stoop so low and buy a 61 key 'anything'. No joke.

As for me, my needs have changed and I simply will NOT buy another 61 key totl arranger - or anything else with just 61 keys for that matter. >> Unless there was a gun pointed at my head and Yamaha said buy or else. Then maybe.. but I would think long and hard about just taking the bullet, rather than to give in to 61 keys - and Yamaha. At least if I did take the bullet I know where I'm going. Talk about a heavenly choir eh?

PS: Yamaha could care less though, in my opinion. On one hand, they know there is a need for 76 keys by all the responses from keyboard players, plus their own market research as well. On the other hand, there are enough European and Canadian [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img] 61 key players to satisfy their hunger and thirst for money I suppose. So those who would like to see a 76 key totl arranger from Yamaha are left holding the bag and are put down and vilified by their meandering clones. [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img]

>> We still love ya' though Ian, along with the others who seem it is their duty to dim that great beacon of hope - i.e. a totl 76 key arranger from Yammie Central, no less. [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/liebe/love-smiley-028.gif[/img] I just hope you and others don't mind though that I feel the need to speak my mind on this subject - again. [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img] Hopefully Steve Deming is peeking in on this thread too. [img]http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/liebe/love-smiley-024.gif[/img] lol.. You da' man Steve! And of course, also our only hotline to headquarters in Japan. I know you've told them and I know you are rooting for us but so far the results haven't materialized yet. We'll keep hoping and praying that Yamaha Japan changes their minds and as a result their opinionated and oft maligned stubbornness as well. [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img] Which would be a miracle in itself when you come to think about it, eh?... [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif[/img]

Best,
Mike

[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 06-02-2008).]

I know I understand what you mean...that's why it is so successful...it is exactly the type of instrument the majority of home keyboard users want.

Ian

SZ is not representative of our arranger markets...this is a niche group to say the least.

Ian

I'd sure like to find where this mysterious majority DO post... or is it that internet illiteracy is a prerequisite for Yamaha 'home' players?

Thats because they all don't realise what 15 extra keys can do for their home keyboard and playing style.

I still think that Baartmans and vocken can do a marketing trick that makes people realise how much they want 76 keys and make the majority buy a 76 key version..

Selling things is all about marketing espescially for the homekey market.

[This message has been edited by Bachus (edited 06-02-2008).]

I think if you look at the posting history here, it probably amounts to no more than about 15 or so people who post on a regular basis.

I know that when I was frequenting the yamaha forums more than I do now, the posters and regular members numbered in, I estimated, the 100's.

I am not a yamaha owner anymore (of a keyboard anyway) so I am neither defending nor attacking Ians' statement, it's just an observation.

Thanks Dennis, an accurate observation, to be sure.

The Yamaha forums are still quite busy, and that should take a sharp increase with the Tyros3 introduction.

Ian

Psssst...Bachus.

I think Yamaha is selling those 15 extra keys to Korg...and making a small profit.

Ian

Just curious then, but has anyone recently done a poll on the Yamaha forum, or PSR World, or whatever, about who would buy a 76 S900 or T3 if it was offered?

Be interesting to see what the results would be...

Yamaha surly has done market research and knows what to make & what will make them a profit. I for one have no need for a 76 key arranger for my needs, but dont be fooled Yamaha knows what their doing all around.