I've made up my mind & I'm sticking to it !!!! Bring it on!

Even with a crappy harmonizer? And no speakers?

OK, The Amazing Kreskin predicts...

Donny will get the T3. Praise it unceasingly until the day he sells it to get an Audya, which he will praise unceasingly until he sells it to go back to the NEXT PSR incarnation, whereupon, he will settle down until the PA3X Pro comes out...

Rinse and repeat

hahahha.....

Donny, your chance to explain why...we're all ears

Well for now all I can go by is what we already have regarding Yamaha arrangers & all the models I've owned so far. The MFD I can live without the transpose save if its not incorporated in T3 hoping it is....
I would assume at least the same key-bed as T2 which I enjoyed alot. Tilt display is a must compared to my S900. VH is another story if its not improved I will be using an outboard unit like TC Helicon harmony 4. lets face it No arranger on the market now or in the future is ever gonna have it all.... so you weigh Your NEEDS Plus/Minus & see whats best for you. I know what I've had already & sold is NOT for me for many reasons....But Yamaha's sounds, styles, support, weighs heavily in the mix for sure.
Now whatever else will be added into T3...eg: drawbars, etc, etc, will sweeten the pot for sure we'll see but as of TODAY that is my choice.

Donnie - Right on! Spoken like a true Yamaha convert! There's no question that ALL the boards represented on this forum each have great features. I am amazed when I hear the neat stuff coming from the Rolands and Korgs and the next generation for all of them will just give us more to water our eyes and ears. I've settled into the Yamaha world and (due to the hassles of changing operating systems) I'll likely stick with Yamaha. Can't say yet that I'll be getting a T3, but I won't be surprised if I do.

Looking forward to hearing the hype and seeing the underground photos.

Such a fun time we live in!

Randy

Right on Randy. That's my basic position. Even as I still dream of new and different toys by Korg and Roland and.... I've come to the conclusion that it's not worth changing to learn and unlearn unless some other instrument is really a monster and none of the TOTAL demos and features that I've seen have surpassed what I've got now which of course is a T2. Heck, all the converted Korg and Roland styles are out there anyway, IF anyone wants to get into that mess. Me, I'd rather pick an onboard style close to what I want and play music and screw the programing and button pushing

It will be interesting to see what happens when the Tyros 3 comes out. I wonder how many of those that jumped the fence for another brand will be jumping back into the Yamaha again having to redo all of the frickin work they spent hours and hours doing. Nope not me, not ever.

P.S. If I ever jump ship to another brand don't show me this post.haha

Scott

Randy.....geat website I enjoyed your songs welldone & the Fish too

In Dnj defence. What no one appear to mention is that if you are gigging for a living or as an addition to your normal day job. Moving from one brand of board to another is all part of the pleasure and basically - hopefully is being paid for with gigging fees.

Here in the UK when the time comes at the old age you have to go into a nursing home....then the nursing home will take it if you have not already spent it....

Hi Graham how have you been?...

Switching KB's is something I have done since I was a kid.....learning a new OS is no big deal once you get familiar with them all its not rocket science just a bit of logical musical sense, ask a few questions, do some hands on investigating & your on your way. Of course as a gigging Pro purchasing new gear is part of the game as is any business equipment. I'm a singer first and a player second of which I use the arranger KB as my backup band utilizing styles, RH comps & leads sounds, smf, mp3 tracks, to make it all happen on stage every night......Yamaha at this time seems to be the most proficient tool to accomplish this for my needs even though there is the need for workarounds to make it flow seamlessly. People can talk all they want.....eventually they have to PLAY & make music & My Ears will tell me everything as always

Graham, great philosophy!! Life's too short so you may as well spend it on keyboards And as you say the gigs usually pay for it.

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So I see now the mating call has changed from try it before you buy it, too:
Buy it before it is even invented.
OK,what the heck, send me one too
Like y'all said, "It's only Money", and we all know that money no longer has any value anyway.
Bebop

Wow.....this T3 better get here soon.....I'm hearing it will be demoed at the Pakefield show in the UK September?

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This post says it all. If I had to stay with the same keyboard over the years I would have been an unhappy camper. For me the new keyboards have always created more interest, more enthusiasm and more time spent with a keyboard. I have always judged the value of a keyboard by one criteria and that is will it help me do my job, will it be friendly, will it fit my needs.

Since my fantastic KN7000 my prediction has been that Yamaha will fill my needs as well as the KN7 did and more. If the Tyros 3 has improved instruments sounds, although many of the sounds are great, I will be contented.

John C.

John all we can do is eagerly wait to see what turns up.......chances are it won't be very long before info start to "LEAK OUT" on T3 as usual & the excitement will begin all over again can't wait!!!!
I would get ready to sell all else with Reckless Abandon because I have a funny feeling T3 is going to blow the doors off the Arranger World!

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---Sorry, double post.
Hey, I wrote a while back that I bought my final keyboard and the S900 will have to do me. I lied, boy did I lie and I am excited.

John C.

PS, I got all my songs ready, will be posting them shortly.

We live in a dangerous world..The Tyros3 will blow the doors off the arranger world ..funny..
and Logitech blows the windows out...


That's it..I may as well join the ranks..I am going to order a Tyros3..all 61 undersized keys..over sized body, and overrated sounds...And also grab me a Logitech 5500 for my "big" outdoor gigs...

Now where is that "clap" remover software..

The 3 amigos are vastly different..Uncle Dave swears by the Korg PA800 and the Bose LT1..

DNJ swears by his Yamaha S900 and his soon to be Fender 250..

Poor me..I just play the best I can afford..Roland G70 and a stable full of Roland Keyboard Cube 100's..

As different as we are..the 3 of us ...like to go to breakfast...

Keep an eye on the German websites, as they were the first to post demos of Tyros & Tyros 2 about a month before launch.
Tyros 3 will be an upgrade of Tyros 2, like the Tyros 2 was the upgrade for Tyros 1. (Apart from SA the rest of T2 was pretty much the same as T1)
Enjoy life, Play a Wersi.

Bill

Correct, Bill...and that, my friend, is a good thing.

Why alienate a client base with a product that strays too far from the recipe of success?

Enjoy life AND your music...play a Yamaha!

I find it difficult to come to terms that people here in the UK have placed orders for the T3 before they know the price, but more important have not yet even seen it.

Graham......most who ordered the T3 already have a T2 to sell also to offset the T3 purchase & quite frankly they dont care about the price they JUST HAVE TO HAVE IT to make them happy & whats wrong with that?

Well Fran it just goes to show that REAL Pros like us can take any kind of gear and make a living at it & make music sound exceptional night after night with an arranger keyboard coupled with styles, smf, mp3's, etc, a good laptop & killer vocals....the gear is secondary. We use old gear, new gear, change gear, who cares? just who are the MUSIC POLICE?.....its gonna be fine, sound great, because we know how to do that sought of thing.......when something doesn't make the grade it gets tossed including the T3, Pd250, G70, E60, Pa800, S900 & things that aint even out yet ....sure we're all different.....yes we three love to party together as always as the Three Amigos .....but most of all through all these years we make tons of people happy with our music USING ALL KINDS OF GEAR!.....so wheres the right or wrong? Could someone give me a "Big Hand Clap" on that? [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif[/img]

"Right reserved to change my mind & get a Roland: [img]http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img]

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Heres a post from Eillen UK on YPK forum on T3 info...


quote: "I did the same with my TY2.Certainly was not disappointed with that.Technology moves on and I like to keep up with it.Have had Yamaha keyboards now for many years and each new model has never failed to be a big improvement on the previous one.You always get the best PX price when a keyboard first comes out.As to the price of TY3 no one knows for certain but I have been told between £3200 and £3600.You know what they say there are no pockets in shrouds.As for laughing all the way to the bank without new sales there would be no money for future development of these Great Keyboards"

BTW how much is that in USD?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Graham UK:
I find it difficult to come to terms that people here in the UK have placed orders for the T3 before they know the price, but more important have not yet even seen it.[/QUOTE

Graham,
After the KN5000 I ordered the KN600, KN6500 and the KN7000 without hearing them. I believed in Technics they have never disappointed me. There was always another feature in another keyboard but Technics was meeting my needs giving no reason to look elsewhere. The upgrade was always something to look forward to.

And this is about me, John C.
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I officially announce, I will be taking pre-payments on Tyros 3s,

If you underpay you won't get one, if you overpay you might get one.

if you grossly overpay you will get one

Just curious, Donny, and others that do this, but what percentage of your act is mp3's?

Presumably, they aren't actual recordings of a live band (REAL karaoke), but are recordings of arrangers or WS's playing SMF's, yes?

So what happens when a sizable proportion of your show is these recordings, and you move to a totally new, presumably MUCH better arranger...? All your mp3 backing is still at least one, and possibly two or even three generations old. You spend a fortune on the arranger, only to sound, at least in the rhythm section, EXACTLY the same as you did several years ago (and it's the rhythm sections that have improved the most in the last few years).

Every time I change arrangers, I have to re-do my entire repertoire... For me, at least, there's no point in spending a fortune on the latest greatest, to sound mostly the same as I did before. So I stick to SMF's, and tweak them for the new sounds and drumkits. Maybe this is why I hate to change arrangers as much as some others...

Diki most of my SMF converted to Mp3 backing tracks were done on a Ketron Midjay due its excellent sound.

What % though, Donny?

Just curious, but if the Midjay is STILL good enough for all these tracks, why move on? But maybe I can see that, although pretty happy with the S900 sound, you still prefer the Ketron 'live' sound for the rhythm section stuff (or you would have re-done the darn things by now!).

It's just kind of strange, but one of the MAIN things I want improved in any new arranger I get is the basic rhythm section... I can get by with the old lead sounds by simply playing as well as I can, but the track or style itself, I have little control over. If I get a quantum leap out of that by upgrading, I sure as hell am not going to put up with the old rhythm section! Plus, I get a mental kick out of playing with what sounds like a MUCH better bunch of players, rather than the same old, same old...

So, 'fess up How much of your show is NOT S900 only?

Exactly Diki. I love to play all arranger mode and do my own arrangements - it's a lot of fun and people enjoy it just as much as a smf. That's what freaked me out about switching from Yamaha OS to Korg, (took a good 7 months to unleash the blue) but it was well worth it. I also figure, I have concepts down pretty good now on most mfgs, but can't see a change from Korg. By the way Diki....the glitches you mention in Korg styles are very very minor - should not be a concern for anyone. In fact, I found glitches far worse in the G70 and SD5 (ugh). Every time I play this board and practice new stuff it blows my mind.

Diki calm down my friend let me explain again

You must understand as I have always stated I have a "tool box of entertainment"......it consists of my Vocals, Arranger keyboard styles, SMF tracks & Mp3 Tracks & a Laptop computer....depending on the gig & I do so many different kinds I will dip into the tool box and use what ever necessary to obtain a successful result. Sometimes I sing & play All live styles NH's, Cocktail hr, and mostly the first few hrs of my live shows.. which my S900, T2, Pa800, G70, Sd1+ could easily do to a point....sometimes I'll incorporate styles & smf...or many times styles, smf, mp3's play on top or just go out & sing...sometimes I'll just DJ the show all Mp3's & just mix & sing to SMF not even using a KB at all...as far as a percentage there is no answer it all depends on the gig. For my needs the S900 is only good for styles & sounds....SMF playback, VH, MFD, is useless & not very compatible with the extreme navigational needs that I require when performing, where other arrangers are stronger in that area but lack miserably in many others. Diki you mostly play with others, I don't anymore after 25 years of keyboard gigging with a 7 pc band...& now the last 17 years as a OMB artist....when you must do it every night "ALL ALONE" singin & playing you Need certain tools to accomplish this to maintain a certain level of professional consistent musical accuracy, but as of today there is NOTHING out there that does this as an All in One for me, Styles "ALL" night starts to get boring IMO....so mixing & matching for now is the best way for me to accomplish this.When I'm happy with a arranger that does it all for me I'll have it for sure. Although improvements have to be made...The concept of the Midjay is an awesome unit that can "simultaneously" play different modes ALL AT THE SAME TIME which IMO future arrangers will HAVE TO include in the units Now if the New Audya incorporates its features & more it might be a winner....but who knows until you play one eh?
Any other questions?



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Donny - I see your point

Last weekend I was hired as a DJ. I love the 800 Songbook. It worked so well with hundreds of mp3s on a stick. I was able to switch flawlessly back and forth to live play to mix things up. The opening Elvis act wanted Karaoke, so I had 3 songs for him too.

In a nutshell, you do what you have to. Overall, the audience (in these venues) is not that sharp to discern what the heck is going on behind the keys. Many came up to me with compliments about my performance (and this was only after mp3 play - go figure!)

With that said, I will always do live arranger first (I believe the boards are made to get the best sound this way) and all other modes last.

Jim......now you getting it buddy....mix it up....& dont worry the audience is Smart enough to know one thing They Are enjoying your performance no matter how you do it....enjoy the magic of making music, It surly is a gift.

Good Luck out there!

Hey Gang;

Sunday at NAMM, they wheeled the TYROS 3 back into the Yamaha booth to be shipped back to Yamaha. So they must have had a private showing of it some place for their "Valued Dealers" of which I am obviously not one.

So, I did not yet get to see or play the the TYROS 3 at this show. Sorry.

- Frost

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you guys know if the Tyros 3 will have the sounds of the Motif XS Series ???

and will it have all those 1000's arpegiators, to use in the styles?

i dont know the T2 and assume it does not use arpegiators like Motif does ??

that would rock !!!

[Quote]YPK Forum..............

"Hi all,
Just to put Pakefield into perspective, Yamaha consider it to be the most important date on their calender in the U.K. They will use the venue to launch the Tyros 3 in this country . When I say Yamaha , I am referring to the electronic keyboards division. All the major keyboard manufacturers seem to take Pakefield very seriously. This September Yamaha will have Peter Baartmans from Holland, Roland will bring Tony Fenelon from Australia and other manufacturers will bring their main demonstrators from around Europe. Some of the worlds best keyboard players all under the same roof. "

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Hi DNJ
You forgot about Ralph Schink who will also be there.
BTW when Tyros 2 was released at the show, at the same time Roland released OS2 for the G70. (The one that made it a proper keyboard, rather then a work in progress with potential)
Regards

Bill

Yes indeed maybe he'll show off teh NEW Roland TOTL arranger

ans whats the date for this show? the tyros 3 will be there?

Pakefield September Spectacular
8-15th September 2008

http://www.keyboard-cavalcade.co.uk/festival.htm