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#236586 - 06/22/08 06:13 PM
Re: My Next Arranger will be a TYROS 3.....
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Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 4912
Loc: West Palm Beach, FL 33417
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Originally posted by Dnj: Hi Graham how have you been?...
Switching KB's is something I have done since I was a kid.....learning a new OS is no big deal once you get familiar with them all its not rocket science just a bit of logical musical sense, ask a few questions, do some hands on investigating & your on your way. Of course as a gigging Pro purchasing new gear is part of the game as is any business equipment. I'm a singer first and a player second of which I use the arranger KB as my backup band utilizing styles, RH comps & leads sounds, smf, mp3 tracks, to make it all happen on stage every night......Yamaha at this time seems to be the most proficient tool to accomplish this for my needs even though there is the need for workarounds to make it flow seamlessly. People can talk all they want.....eventually they have to PLAY & make music & My Ears will tell me everything as always  This post says it all. If I had to stay with the same keyboard over the years I would have been an unhappy camper. For me the new keyboards have always created more interest, more enthusiasm and more time spent with a keyboard. I have always judged the value of a keyboard by one criteria and that is will it help me do my job, will it be friendly, will it fit my needs. Since my fantastic KN7000 my prediction has been that Yamaha will fill my needs as well as the KN7 did and more. If the Tyros 3 has improved instruments sounds, although many of the sounds are great, I will be contented. John C.
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#236591 - 06/23/08 05:35 AM
Re: My Next Arranger will be a TYROS 3.....
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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Originally posted by abacus: Tyros 3 will be an upgrade of Tyros 2, like the Tyros 2 was the upgrade for Tyros 1. (Apart from SA the rest of T2 was pretty much the same as T1) Enjoy life, Play a Wersi. 
Bill Correct, Bill...and that, my friend, is a good thing. Why alienate a client base with a product that strays too far from the recipe of success? Enjoy life AND your music...play a Yamaha! 
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#236594 - 06/23/08 06:12 AM
Re: My Next Arranger will be a TYROS 3.....
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Senior Member
Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Well Fran it just goes to show that REAL Pros like us can take any kind of gear and make a living at it & make music sound exceptional night after night with an arranger keyboard coupled with styles, smf, mp3's, etc, a good laptop & killer vocals....the gear is secondary. We use old gear, new gear, change gear, who cares? just who are the MUSIC POLICE?.....its gonna be fine, sound great, because we know how to do that sought of thing.......when something doesn't make the grade it gets tossed including the T3, Pd250, G70, E60, Pa800, S900 & things that aint even out yet  ....sure we're all different.....yes we three love to party together as always as the Three Amigos  .....but most of all through all these years we make tons of people happy with our music USING ALL KINDS OF GEAR!.....so wheres the right or wrong?  Could someone give me a "Big Hand Clap" on that?  [img] http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img] [img] http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif[/img] "Right reserved to change my mind & get a Roland: [img] http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/wink.gif[/img] [This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 06-23-2008).]
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#236598 - 06/23/08 08:45 PM
Re: My Next Arranger will be a TYROS 3.....
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14344
Loc: NW Florida
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Just curious, Donny, and others that do this, but what percentage of your act is mp3's? Presumably, they aren't actual recordings of a live band (REAL karaoke), but are recordings of arrangers or WS's playing SMF's, yes? So what happens when a sizable proportion of your show is these recordings, and you move to a totally new, presumably MUCH better arranger...? All your mp3 backing is still at least one, and possibly two or even three generations old. You spend a fortune on the arranger, only to sound, at least in the rhythm section, EXACTLY the same as you did several years ago (and it's the rhythm sections that have improved the most in the last few years). Every time I change arrangers, I have to re-do my entire repertoire... For me, at least, there's no point in spending a fortune on the latest greatest, to sound mostly the same as I did before. So I stick to SMF's, and tweak them for the new sounds and drumkits. Maybe this is why I hate to change arrangers as much as some others... 
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#236600 - 06/23/08 10:55 PM
Re: My Next Arranger will be a TYROS 3.....
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Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14344
Loc: NW Florida
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What % though, Donny? Just curious, but if the Midjay is STILL good enough for all these tracks, why move on? But maybe I can see that, although pretty happy with the S900 sound, you still prefer the Ketron 'live' sound for the rhythm section stuff (or you would have re-done the darn things by now!). It's just kind of strange, but one of the MAIN things I want improved in any new arranger I get is the basic rhythm section... I can get by with the old lead sounds by simply playing as well as I can, but the track or style itself, I have little control over. If I get a quantum leap out of that by upgrading, I sure as hell am not going to put up with the old rhythm section! Plus, I get a mental kick out of playing with what sounds like a MUCH better bunch of players, rather than the same old, same old... So, 'fess up  How much of your show is NOT S900 only?
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#236602 - 06/24/08 08:34 AM
Re: My Next Arranger will be a TYROS 3.....
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Senior Member
Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Diki calm down my friend let me explain again  You must understand as I have always stated I have a "tool box of entertainment"......it consists of my Vocals, Arranger keyboard styles, SMF tracks & Mp3 Tracks & a Laptop computer....depending on the gig & I do so many different kinds I will dip into the tool box and use what ever necessary to obtain a successful result. Sometimes I sing & play All live styles NH's, Cocktail hr, and mostly the first few hrs of my live shows.. which my S900, T2, Pa800, G70, Sd1+ could easily do to a point....sometimes I'll incorporate styles & smf...or many times styles, smf, mp3's play on top or just go out & sing...sometimes I'll just DJ the show all Mp3's & just mix & sing to SMF not even using a KB at all...as far as a percentage there is no answer it all depends on the gig. For my needs the S900 is only good for styles & sounds....SMF playback, VH, MFD, is useless & not very compatible with the extreme navigational needs that I require when performing, where other arrangers are stronger in that area but lack miserably in many others. Diki you mostly play with others, I don't anymore after 25 years of keyboard gigging with a 7 pc band...& now the last 17 years as a OMB artist....when you must do it every night "ALL ALONE" singin & playing you Need certain tools to accomplish this to maintain a certain level of professional consistent musical accuracy, but as of today there is NOTHING out there that does this as an All in One for me, Styles "ALL" night starts to get boring IMO....so mixing & matching for now is the best way for me to accomplish this.When I'm happy with a arranger that does it all for me I'll have it for sure. Although improvements have to be made...The concept of the Midjay is an awesome unit that can "simultaneously" play different modes ALL AT THE SAME TIME which IMO future arrangers will HAVE TO include in the units Now if the New Audya incorporates its features & more it might be a winner....but who knows until you play one eh? Any other questions?  [This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 06-24-2008).]
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